Rarama dhiri, UNWTO executive anodaro

eTN: Wakadii Geoffrey? Ko kuCopenhagen kuri sei?
Geoffrey Lipman: Ini ndinofunga zviri nani pane zviri kutaurwa nevanhu, kana iwe uchiziva zvandiri kureva.

eTN: Kyoto kuenda kuDavos kuenda kuBali, ikozvino Copenhagen. Zvakadini nereport yebudiriro?
Geoffrey: Chekutanga izvi hazvisi zvekushanya; Ndinoramba ndichitaura izvi. Izvi ndezve zvese. Chirevo chekufambira mberi chakawedzera Kyoto kuenda kuBali kuenda kuPoznan kusvika pano. Uyu mufananidzo muhombe uye kuedza kwepasi rose kunotungamirwa neUN, G20, G77, China - isu tinofanirwa kuita chimwe chinhu kutsiva Kyoto kana yapera muna 2012, uye inyaya yepasi rose. Uye nyaya yacho inotenderera pamwe chete 3 kana 4 zvinhu. Imwe, sainzi inoti tinofanirwa kuchengetedza tembiricha yePasi yakagadzikana, zvinoreva kuti kudziya kwepasi kunofanirwa kukwira mumakore gumi anotevera, zvakanyanya kana zvishoma, uye kunofanirwa kudzikamisa zvisingapfuure 10 madhigirii kupfuura zvaari nhasi. 2.

eTN: Uye ndeapi matanho ari kutaurwa kuti izvi zvizadziswe?
Geoffrey: Kana ndikagona, ndine hurombo, kutora izvo munzvimbo yayo, ndizvo zviri kupokana nesainzi hombe panguva ino. IPPC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), iyo link telegraphs - zvese izvi zvakatenderedza - isu tine kodzero yekuenda kune iyo nhamba yepasi rose? Uye zvese zviri pano, kusanganisira izvo IPPC inodzokorora, ndiyo nhamba; tiri kuramba nazvo. Zvizhinji zvezvinhu izvi zviri kuitika, zvinonyatso tsanangurwa, asi chakanyanya ndechekuti, kune kutenda kwakapararira kuti kune maitiro akaitwa nemunhu, uye kana tikasaedza kubata nazvo, mutengo wakaderera. mutsara uchakwirisa zvakanyanya, uye tinogona kupotsa pekunongedza. Ndiwo mufananidzo mukuru – nei vari pano.

eTN: Chii chaunofunga paCopenhagen kusvika parizvino?
Geoffrey: Ini ndichakupa mamwe mapoinzi maviri, uye ndozopindura izvozvo. Nyaya huru yechipiri ndeyekuti unosvika sei kune izvo - kune iyo 2 madhigirii? Uye ndipo pari kuuya nhamba dzese idzi - kuti nyika dzese dziuye muKyoto. Kubudirira kuri kuKyoto, nekuti yekutanga Kyoto yaingobata nenyika dzakabudirira. Uye kunyangwe zvakadaro, havasi vese vakazvisimbisa, uye vazhinji havana kuzadzisa zvinangwa zvavakaisa muKyoto. Handisi kuda kukufinha nenhamba dzese idzi – ndiri kuedza kukupa mufananidzo mukuru. Uye zvataive nazvo chirongwa chemutambo chakaungana muBali, kana uchirangarira. Uye kwave nemisangano gumi nemumwe kubva panguva iyoyo yemapato yekuyedza kuburitsa rudzi rwehurongwa hweanotsiva. Misangano gumi nerimwe mumakore maviri ihombe huru yenhaurirano dzepasirese. Uye nemhando dzinoverengeka dzezvisizvo, izvi hazvitauri, uye kushanya kwakakosha nekuda kwe… Chinhu chega chakanyanya kujeka ndechekuti vakasiya kunze kwendege uye zvifambiso zvemugungwa, uye zviratidzo zvese ndezvekuti mune chero chibvumirano chemangwana. , vachapinzwa mariri. Saka icho chidimbu chakakosha, nekuti icho chinotakura zvinhu zvakakosha zvekushanya. Asi kazhinji, hapana agere pano achiti, o, ko nezve tourism elements? Saka ndiwo mufananidzo mukuru. Zvino mubvunzo ndewekuti, tiri papi mukutaurirana? I think the one point yandinoda kutaura ndeyekuti hazvina basa kuti mainternational negotiations makaita sei chero paine negotiations, kana muri pakati pawo, vanhu vanenge vachizvimisa. Hapana anokuudza mutambo wekupedzisira pakati penhaurirano. Vanochengetedza mutambo wekupedzisira kusvika pakuguma, hazvishamisi.

eTN: Munofunga kuti summit pachayo yakaumbwa zvakanaka here?
Geoffrey: Ini pachangu ndinotenda kuti yakapedzwa zvakanaka, nekuti chimwe chinhu chiri pamufananidzo mukuru - nhamba yechitatu chidimbu - ndicho chinoti, imarii ichapihwa nyika dzine hurombo kuti vakwanise kugadzirisa masisitimu avo. ? Saka ini ndingati, parizvino, pane idzi 3 kana 4 nyaya hombe, uye yakarongedzwa nemazvo, uye ndinotenda kuti vachasvika pakubvumirana, kwete zvese zvese, asi vanosvika kune yavari kudaidza kuti zvematongerwo enyika. chibvumirano pahurongwa hwehurongwa hwezvirongwa zveizvi, uye ivo vachazvipa kwechinguva chidiki kupfuura kuti vasvike pakunzwisisa nezvehuwandu hwehuwandu. Uku ndiko kutenda kwangu pachangu, uye izvi ndezvangu, pachava zvakakwana muhari apo America inosvika; zvichava zvakakwana kuiswa muhari kuti zvigadzirire nyika dzine urombo. Nyika dzine urombo dzichaenda nezviri kurongwa, nekuti zvakanyanya kune zvavanoda. Iyi pfungwa yeUS$10 bhiriyoni pagore yekugadzirisa mari kwemakore matatu anotevera - iyo US$3 bhiriyoni - yave kutanga kuita mari yakaoma.

eTN: Uye mari iyi ichabvepi?
Geoffrey: Ichabva kune dzimwe nyika, uye ichauya ichibva kuWorld Bank uye kubva kumasangano, uye inogona kufananidzwa kubva kune yakazvimirira.

eTN: Asi zvakadini nezvinosvibisa zvikuru, nyika huru idzo dziri kukonzera kushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze uku? Pane chavari kupa here kuhomwe iyi?
Geoffrey: Ndiyo nyaya yezvematongerwo enyika, Nelson. Ini handina shungu nazvo sewe. Ndiri kuva nechinangwa uye kusafarira. Vanosvibisa zvikuru ndivo vanenge vachizobhadhara mari yakawanda zvikuru, kana dziri nyika dzakabudirira. Isu tinoziva zvakare kuti muUnited States, kune congressional kuramba kune zvimwe zveizvi, uye ichi ichokwadi chezvematongerwo enyika. Isu tinoziva zvakare kuti China yave kuve imwe yevakakura greenhouse gasi rinopa, uye China ine nzvimbo yakasarudzika zvekuti yakagadzirira kudzikisa kusimba kwekabhoni mukubuda kwayo, ndeye GDP kubuda, asi haina kugadzirira kugadzirisa kudzikisa mazinga. carbon panguva ino yekukura kwayo. Iye zvino idzi ndidzo nyaya dzandinogona kutaura, ndinotenda kuti mapato achawana kunzwisisa pane chimiro, asi kwete nhamba dzakadzama.

eTN: Vamwe vakatoona kuti musangano uyu wakakundikana uye ndewe manyepo, nekuti vazhinji vanosvibisa tsvina vakaratidza kuti havasi kuenda kana kuti havasi kukoshesa musangano uyu. Izvi zvave zvakadaro here?
Geoffrey: Aiwa, handizvitendi izvozvo. Handioni humbowo. Ini ndinoona nhaurirano dzakakomba, ndinoona yakanakisa tsigiro system neUNFCCC (United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change), uye ndinoona iyo UN system. Taita musangano manheru ano [nemunyori mukuru weUN] Ban Ki-moon nevakuru vemasangano asinganzwisisike makumi maviri - rutsigiro rwakakwana nekubatana kuseri kwechirongwa ichi. Ini ndinofunga kune dzimwe nyika dzine mutoro kunze uko, asi ivo vanofanirwa kubatawo nezvavo zvemumba, uye handikwanise kuzunguza wand ndotaura izvi ini kuti vachazviita sei, asi kutenda kwangu ndekwekuti vachasvika. nzwisiso, iyo ichaita kuti musangano uyu uve musangano unokosha kwazvo munzira yekutsiva Kyoto muna 20 uye zvimwe zvimedu zvinotsigira.

eTN: Wataura izvi. Nyika zhinji dzisina kubudirira, kunyangwe kondinendi yeAfrica, dzinoda muripo nekuda kwekukanganisa kuri kuita mamiriro ekunze. Uku kungorarama chete here, uye munofunga kuti zvinogona kuitika zvechokwadi here?
Geoffrey: Ini, pachangu, ndinotenda kuti nyaya ye "muripo" inyaya yakaoma kwazvo kugadzirisa. Kune maonero akasiyana ekuti muripo ndewei; kune maonero akasiyana ekuti inofanira kugovewa sei uye kuti ndiani anofanira kuiwana. Asi chinhu chimwe chete chinoita sechine chibvumirano ndechekuti paumbwe homwe, izvo zvichabatsira nyika dzine urombo kuti dzigadzirise. Uye pane manzwiro akajairika, pane zvishoma - iUS $ 10 bhiriyoni pagore kwemakore matatu. Ndinofunga kuti kutanga kwakanaka.

eTN: Africa ine nhamba chaiyo. Handizivi kuti chii panguva ino, asi ivo vanga vakaomesesa mukuunza izvo kumusangano, uye handina chokwadi chekuti vakabudirira sei.
Geoffrey: Vane chokwadi kuti vauye nazvo, asi inhaurirano, uye pakupera kwezuva, ndinofunga kuti chigadzirwa chekupedzisira chichava mhinduro yakabvumiranwa pakati pemasimba makuru, nyika huru, G20s, uye G77 inofanira kuva. patafura uye vanobvumirana, China neIndia dzinofanirwa kunge dziri patafura uye dzinobvumirana, asi ndinotenda kuti maitiro ari kushanda zvakanaka panguva ino.

eTN: Zvakanaka. Ndapedza kuverenga UNWTO's "Kubva kuDavos kuenda kuCopenhagen uye Kupfuura: Kufambisa Mhinduro yeKushanya kuKushanduka Kwemamiriro ekunze" bepa rekumashure. Yakanyatso kuzara, uye zvechokwadi kuverenga kwenguva refu. Unogona here kunongedzera nyaya huru dzaunoda kuti indasitiri yekufambisa uye yekushanya izive?
Geoffrey: Ndinofunga chinhu chekutanga kuziva ndechekuti WTO yakave netsoka patafura, yakanyatso kutevedzera izvi zvikuru zviitiko zvezvematongerwo enyika uye yakaita pfungwa yekuita chokwadi muUN system kuti kushanya, pane kucherechedzwa kweiyo yakakosha. basa rekushanya - ndiyo poindi yekutanga. Poindi yechipiri, takabata zvakanyanya inclusionary process muDavos. Wese munhu aivepo, kusanganisira veruzhinji, vezvenhau, uye seti yekurudziro yakabuda muDavos, uye ndinofunga UNWTO iri kutsvaga kuyeuchidza vanhu kuti vanofanirwa kubatanidza kurudziro iyi kune zviri kubuda muCopenhagen, uyezve, kana muchida, nekuti hazvisi zvese zvichanyoreswa pano. Uye UNWTO ari kuti, kunyanya munyori mukuru Taleb Rifai arikuti izvozvi, zvikamu zvebasa redu uye basa redu nderekuona kuti tiri kuchengetedza kufarira kweindasitiri muhurongwa hweUN isu ... pane zvese izvi. Uye chiitiko chekudivi icho UNWTO ari kuita ne WTTC, rakagadzirirwa kuratidza kuti masangano aya nemamwe ari kuda kushanda pamwe chete paiyi nharaunda, pamwe chete nedzimwe nzvimbo.

eTN: Sangano rakazvimirira, seWorld Travel & Tourism Council (WTTC), vakatamba sei mumusangano wekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze wekuCopenhagen?
Geoffrey: Vaisa tsoka dzavo patafura; ivo varipo semasangano ehurumende neimwe nzira, asi kubatana neWTO kunoita kuti pave neruzhinji-yakavanzika rudzi rwekutanga, uye zvakanyanya kukosha, nhengo dze WTTC zvichave, uye zviri, pakati pevaverengi munharaunda iyi yese. MaMarriots makuru atora, sezvamunorangarira kubva WTTC musangano, vane masango akakura emasango avari kutsigira. Vamwe ... ita zvinhu zvakanakisa kana zvasvika pakuderedza kabhoni uye kusatendeutsa shanduko yemamiriro ekunze. Uye kune vanhu vazhinji kunze uko, saka WTTC nhengo dzine basa. WTTC ndiko kutaura kwenhengo dzaro.

eTN: Pane gwaro rakabva kugreenearth.travel rinonzi "Rarama Chibvumirano." Pane chaunoziva nezvazvo here?
Geoffrey: Hongu. Ndiko kutanga kwangu. Ndiko kuita kwangu pachangu kusanganisa nevamwe vanhu vakati wandei, vakaiswa mukati UNWTO nerutsigiro rwaRifai, asi chirongwa chichava - ndiri kudaidza kuti "MANGO." Unoziva here chinonzi mango? Kwete muchero. Ukaenda kuWikipedia, vanoti kune chinhu chinonzi Market Adjustment Non-Government Organisation.

eTN: Ndiani akauya neacronym iyoyo?
Geoffrey: Ndozvandagadzira nemushandirapamwe unonzi "Rarama Iyo Deal," uye zano remushandirapamwe nderekutaura kune chikamu chekushanya, kuchave nemhedzisiro ichabuda muCopenhagen, kana Copenhagen uye chero misangano. tevera, uye isu tinoda indasitiri yekufambisa - makambani ega nenharaunda - kusaina kuti vawane kudzikiswa kwakafanana sezvo hurumende dzadzo dzichisaina muchibvumirano. Saka, kana United States ikasaina kusvika pakudzikiswa kwemaminus, kana toti nyika yeEurope - tinoziva zvichaitika - zviratidzo kusvika paminus 20 panosvika 2020, tinoda kuti makambani ekushanya muEurope asayine kusvika pakadaro. kubata zvishoma, uye isu tichavapa maturusi avanogona kutaura nekuongorora tsoka dzavo uye vanogona kuyera kuti tsoka yavo chii uye kuti inoshanduka sei gore negore. Uye chinonyanya kukosha ndechekuti varambe vakazvipira kuita zvakanaka sezvatiri kuda kuita.

eTN: Nderipi sangano richange richiona izvi?
Geoffrey: Isangano idzva randakasika, uye tichashandisa mapato matatu, ane mbiri mapato matatu, mukati nekunze kwechikamu chekufambisa munzvimbo yekuongorora kabhoni nenzvimbo yekuyera kabhoni, uye isu tichagadzira navo michina. uye kuti michina iri kuenda kutengeswa nemutengo wakaderera zvikuru kune tourism sector.

eTN: Rondedzera nzira iyi yauri kutaura nezvayo.
Geoffrey: Tora, semuenzaniso, eTurboNews iri mubhizimusi rekufambisa. Iwe unoita zvakawanda zvekufamba - iwe, Thomas, vamwe vanhu vese vechikwata chako. Iwe une carbon footprint. Isu tinokupa online chishandiso chinokutendera kuyera yako kabhoni tsoka. Vamwe vanhu vazhinji vane maturusi akafanana, asi iwo atinokupa kutanga kwegore rinouya, nekuti isu tinoda nguva yekutora izvo chibvumirano chehurumende chaicho uye kutsvaga nzira dzekutevera nyika, ndinoreva, kwete kutsvaga nzira, asi iwe unofanirwa kuitora nyika nenyika, uye icho chichava chikamu chedhibhodhi, zvauri kuwana, kana iwe ukasaina kuti uve nechibvumirano. Uye isu tine makambani enyanzvi aripo kuti ape zano uye rudzi irwo rwechinhu sezvo vanhu vanofambira mberi pane izvi.

eTN: Yakatoparurwa here?
Geoffrey: Pfungwa iyi yakatangwa neMuvhuro, muno muCopenhagen. Uye zvichaitika ndezvekuti pakati pezvino kusvika kutanga kwegore, tichava nenguva yekutarisa magwaro anowanikwa pachena pane izvo hurumende dzakazvipira, uye isu tichatanga kuburitsa data base yezvipikirwa zvehurumende. Uye izvo zvinobvumidza iyo, iwe unoziva, kana iwe ukawana fomu rako online, rinonyatso ratidzwa, izvo hurumende yako yakabvuma kana kuti iri mukati mekubvumirana nazvo, saka iwe unokwanisa kuita cheki nguva dzose, uyezve. isu tichaburitsa mareports egore, profil shasha, zvese izvo zverudzi rwechinhu.

eTN: Unoronga sei kupaza hurumende, nekuti kazhinji ndidzo dzekupedzisira kuuya?
Geoffrey: Chekutanga pane zvese, ndine rutsigiro rwakakwana rweWTO. Kana iwe ukaenda kune yavo webhusaiti, ivo vari kumhanyisa vhidhiyo.

eTN: WTO seiri muWorld Tourism Organisation kana World Trade Organisation?
Geoffrey: World Tourism Organisation - UNWTO. Iwe unogona zvakare kuona yakatsvinda diki vhidhiyo yehupenyu yatagadzira. Rangarira iyo yakaitwa nemuimbi platinamu disk star Alston Koch? Takazvigadzira zvese izvi, uye kana ukati, zvakanaka, zvinobvepi, kunze kwekuti ini handidi kuti mudzimai wangu azive, zviri kubva muhomwe yangu. Ndiri kutanga chinhu ichi, nekuti ndinotenda chaizvo kuti ndiyo nguva yekuzviita.

eTN: Yakatambirwa sei; zvave, chii, mazuva matatu?
Geoffrey: Yakakwira uye mukati memaminitsi gumi nematanhatu, ndiyo yaive yakanyanya kutsvagwa guru rekufamba chinhu. Kana iwe ukatarisa kuPacific Asia Travel Association (PATA)'s kuburitswa kwenhau, waisagona kuwana tsigiro iri nani pane yatakawana kubva kuPATA. WTO ine kuburitswa kwenhau pane izvi, uye hauna kukwanisa kuwana tsigiro iri nani pane Rifai ichiti iyi ndiyo mhando yemuchina watinoda kutsigira.

eTN: Saka iwe, iwe pachako, urikuzvipatsanura kubva kune UNWTO hurongwa?
Geoffrey: Pakupera kwegore, ndichave chipangamazano zvakare sezvandaive ndiri kuna Frangialli ndisati ndatamira kuMadrid, uye ndichave chipangamazano waRifai. Uye ini ndichashanda pahupfumi, uye chirongwa cheT20, uye izvo zvinhu zvandanga ndichiita zvakanyanya. Ndichazviita hafu yenguva, uye ndichazviita kubva kuBrussels pane kuMadrid.

eTN: Chii chichaitika pachinzvimbo chako? Pachave nemutevedzeri wemunyori here?
Geoffrey: Kwete. Iwe unoziva, izvo zvavakazivisa muKazakhstan zvaive - hapana mutevedzeri uye hapana mutevedzeri wemunyori mukuru, uye vachavhota muvatungamiri vatatu. Uye vatungamiri vakuru vachatora kuudza zvakananga kune UNWTO munyori mukuru Taleb Rifai.

eTN: Geoffrey, pane chimwe chinhu here chaunoda kuwedzera kubvunzurudzo iyi?
Geoffrey: Ini ndinoda chaizvo kutaura Nelson, uye chekutanga, ndinotenda zvakanyanya, uye ndinorevesa pamusoro peizvi, rutsigiro rwekukurumidza rwakabva kuna Thomas uye kubva kuTurbo. Zvandinoona pano chinhu chinove chinhu chakakosha kuindasitiri yese - pekugara, zvekufambisa, nekuti zvinopa nzira iri nyore yekuyera iyo kabhoni tsoka uye nzira iri nyore, yakanaka kwazvo mifananidzo, online zvinhu - tiri kubatana nekambani kuita izvi.

Ndiri kuvimba newe, Nelson. Chimwe chinhu chandinoda kutaura kwauri, chingave chiri murekodhi kana kuti chisiri rekodhi, chiri mublurb yandakaburitsa. Ndinofunga kuti yave nguva, kune vanhu kunze uko vari kupopotedzana munzvimbo iyi. Iwe unoziva, unonzwa zvinhu zvakaita sekuti kuchave nekubatana pakati peizvi nemamwe maitiro. Iri richava dhinominata yakaderera, uye haizokanganise izvo vamwe vanhu vari kunze uko vachipa masevhisi; hazvisi kuzoedza kuvakanganisa. Asi isu hatisi kuzove tichiita zvimwe chetezvo. Hatisi kuzove tichibatsira zvakananga chero munhu kuita shanduko iyoyo. Zvisina kunanga, chikamu chikuru chezvatinoita kuenda kumberi kuchave kuchengetedza tarisiro pane tekinoroji nyowani uye zvimwe zvinovandudzwa uye matekiniki anogona kubatsira vanhu kuti vatore kabhoni yavo pasi. Uye isu tichavandudza webhusaiti yedu kuitira kuti vanhu vagone kuona uye kuwana ruzivo irworwo.

eTN: Ndinofunga ipfungwa yakanaka, uye ndinokushuvirai rombo rakanaka pachirongwa ichi.

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