Nechimbichimbi isina kugadziridzwa: Dhipatimendi reUS State paUkraine Russia Kutyisidzira & UAE Attack

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US State Department Press Briefing, Muvhuro 24 Ndira 2022,
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Ned Mutengo, Mutauriri weDhipatimendi

Washington DC, 2:39 pm EST 24 Jan 2022

MR PRICE: Masikati akanaka. Muvhuro wakanaka. Zvakanaka kuona munhu wese. Chinhu chimwe chete kumusoro uye isu tozotora mibvunzo yako.

United States inoshora kurwiswa kwehusiku kwakaitwa neHouthis kuUnited Arab Emirates neSaudi Arabia, izvo zvakakonzera kukuvadzwa kwevanhu muSaudi Arabia uye zvinotevera kupindira kwakafanana kweHouthi svondo rapfuura kwakauraya vanhu vatatu mu Abu Dhabi. Isu tinosimbisa kuzvipira kwedu kubatsira kusimbisa dziviriro yevatinoshanda navo veSaudi neEmirati.

Uku kurwiswa kweUAE neSaudi Arabia, pamwe nekurova kwendege munguva pfupi yapfuura muYemen kwakauraya vanhuwo zvavo, kunomiririra kuwedzera kunoshungurudza kunongowedzera kutambura kwevanhu veYemeni.

Tinodaidza mapato ese ari mugakava kuti azvipire kumisa kurwa, kutevedzera zvavanosungirwa pasi pemutemo wepasi rose werubatsiro, kusanganisira iwo ane chekuita nekuchengetedzwa kwevanhu vese, uye kutora chikamu zvizere muhurongwa hwerunyararo hunotungamirwa neUN.

Vanhu veYemeni vanoda nekukurumidza mhinduro yezvekupokana, mhinduro yemumiriri inovandudza hupenyu hwavo uye inovabvumira kuti vaone pamwe chete ramangwana ravo.

Nezvo, ndinofara kutendeukira kumibvunzo yako. Ehe? Zvakanaka, ndichatangira kumashure uko, sekuvimbisa kwandakaita. Ndapota.

MUBVUNZO: (Inaudible) panyaya iyi, saka-

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka. Hukuru.

MUBVUNZO: Ndishivirirei, ndapota. Kurwiswa kwanhasi kweHouthis paUAE ndiko kwegumi nematatu mumazuva gumi apfuura. Saka kurwisa uku kwave kukurumidzirwa mazuva ano. Isu tichaona iko zvino kukwidziridzwa kwakafanana mukutariswa kweBiden - nehutongi hwekunyora maHouthis pakurwiswa kwegandanga?

MR PRICE: Ku- sorry, ini-

MUBVUNZO: Kuti vadzoke pakurwisa kwegandanga?

MR PRICE: Oo, kuzvinyora.

MUBVUNZO: Saka kukwidziridza uku kwaizokonzeresa kukwidziridzwa kwakafanana mukutarisisa kwakachengetwa neBiden manejimendi nezve kuvadzosa pakurwiswa kwegandanga?

MR PRICE: Saka mubvunzo wako uri pamusoro pechimiro cheHouthis uye nekugona kugadzirisazve. Zvakanaka, sezvamunoziva, Mutungamiriri akataura kune izvi svondo rapfuura paakataura nenyika mumusangano wavo wevatori venhau neChitatu chapfuura. Akataura kuti mubvunzo wekugadzirisazve, kugadziridzwazve kweAnsarallah, zita rebato reHouthi, riri kutariswa. Uye saka ini handisi munzvimbo yekukurukura chero nhanho dzinogona kutariswa.

Hezvino zvandichataura, zvakadaro. Ticharamba tichishanda nevatinoshanda navo mudunhu, kusanganisira Saudi Arabia neUAE, kuti tivabatsire kudzivirira kubva mukurwiswa kweHouthi kunosiririsa. Sezvo data yekupedzisira yandakaona yakaratidza, nerubatsiro rweUnited States, Humambo hweSaudi Arabia hwakakwanisa kudzivirira nezve 90 muzana yekurwiswa uku kunouya kubva kuYemen, kubva kuHouthis. Ehe, chinangwa chedu, chinangwa chedu chese, tichawana - kuti tive 100 muzana. Asi isu tichiri - ticharamba takamira nevatinodyidzana navo pane izvi.

Isu tiri zvakare, uye isu tine, kuenderera mberi nekubata vatungamiri veHouthi nekuda kwehunhu hunonyadzisa. Takapa zvirango kuvatungamiriri vakakosha uye mazita evatungamiriri vakakosha mumwedzi ichangopfuura. Uye isu ticharamba tichidaidzira kune ese maturusi akakodzera mubhokisi redu rekushandisa kuti vazvidavirire ava maHouthi, vatungamiriri veHouthi vane mhosva yekurwiswa uku. Hatisi kuzoregera pakusarudza vatungamiriri veHouthi nemasangano ane chekuita nemhirizhonga ari kutyisidzira vagari uye kugadzikana kwedunhu, kuenderera mberi nekupokana, kutyora kodzero dzevanhu, kana kutyora mutemo wepasi rose werubatsiro, kana kuwedzera dambudziko rakakura rerubatsiro ne - maererano nenhoroondo zhinji. , idambudziko rakakura kwazvo rekubatsira vanhu paNyika.

Asi uku kufunga kwakaoma, uye takataura nekufunga uku mumazuva ekutanga ehutongi, rinenge gore rapfuura, patakataura nezvesarudzo yekutanga vis-à-vis the Houthis nekuti mukuita kutsunga uye mukuuya iyo sarudzo yepakutanga, takateerera kune vakati wandei vane chekuita. Takanzwa yambiro kubva kuUN. Takateerera kutyira kubva kumapoka anobatsira vanhu. Takateerera nhengo dzeCongress dzaipokana nesarudzo yehutongi hwekupedzisira yekugadza Houthis sesangano remagandanga rekune dzimwe nyika, kozoti STDT nekuti kunyanya, kutsunga kwegumbeze kunogona kuve nemhedzisiro pakukwanisa kwedu kuendesa uye kupa zvakanyanya zvinodiwa. rubatsiro rwevanhu kune vagari veYemen.

Inogonawo kukanganisa kuwanikwa kwezvinhu zvakakosha sechikafu nemafuta. Uye saka takanzwa zvichemo izvi zvine ruzha uye zvakajeka, uye tinoziva kuti inosvika makumi mapfumbamwe muzana yezvinhu zvakakosha muYemen zvinotengeswa kunze kwenyika nemabhizinesi akazvimirira. Uye kubva mukuwanda kwekuchenjerera, vatengesi veizvi - vatengesi ava uye masangano emari vanogona kumisa basa iroro, iro rinokosha kune zvido zvevanhu zveYemeni.

Saka takanzwa kunetseka ikoko zvine ruzha uye zvakajeka. Tiri kunyatsotarisisa mhinduro yakakodzera, asi chaticharamba tichiita, pasina mubvunzo pamusoro pazvo, kumira neUAE, kumira neSaudi Arabia, uye kubata vatungamiri veHouthi vane mhosva yekurwiswa kwehugandanga uku.

MUBVUNZO: Ehe, Ned, kungoteedzera, mamwe mapoinzi maviri panyaya iyi: USA yakataurawo muzvirevo zvakapfuura - kubva kuDhipatimendi reHurumende ndinotenda, uye White House - kuti yaizotsigira UAE mukudzivirira matunhu ayo. Saka tsigiro iyi ichafamba sei mukuita? Ndiyo imwe. Chechipiri, iyo US ichabatsira here kurambidza kufamba kwezvombo uye rutsigiro rwemari kune veHouthis, vachipihwa chokwadi chekuti vanotsigirwa uye vanotsigirwa neIran?

MR PRICE: Saka kumubvunzo wako wekutanga, isu tinoshanda zvakanyanya nevatinoshanda navo veEmirati, sezvatinoita nevatinoshanda navo veSaudi, kuvapa izvo zvavanoda kubatsira kuzvidzivirira kubva kumhando idzi dzekurwiswa. Ticharamba tichidaro. Ticharamba tichishanda navo nenzira dzakasiyana dzekuvabatsira kuzvisimbisa pakurwisa uku.

Uye mubvunzo wako wechipiri nezve -

MUBVUNZO: Ehe. IUS ichabatsira here kurambidza kufamba kwezvombo uye rutsigiro rwemari kune veHouthis, vachipihwa chokwadi chekuti vanotsigirwa neIran?

MR PRICE: Zvamazvirokwazvo. Uye isu tanga tichishanda nesimba pane izvozvo, kwete chete mukutonga uku asi pamusoro pekutonga kwakatevedzana. Iwe wakanzwa vatinoshanda navo muDhipatimendi reDziviriro vachitaura nekubata mugungwa, semuenzaniso, zvezvombo zvakasungwa kuYemen nekuHouthis. Wationa isu tichipenya yakajeka padanho retsigiro iro Iran nemapoka anotsigirwa neIran ari kupa kuHouthis. Matinzwa tichitaura nezvebasa rinokanganisa riri kuitwa neIran nevamiriri vayo mudunhu rese, uye izvo zvinosanganisira muYemen, uye izvo zvinosanganisira kutsigira kweIran bato reHouthi muYemen.

MUBVUNZO: Mubvunzo ndewokuti: Uchamisa kuyerera kwemaoko mumuviri here? Ndinoreva, uri kuenda (kusinganzwike) simba rezvombo? Ndinoreva, ndinofunga kuti ndiyo mamiriro emubvunzo.

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, uye mhinduro yangu kune iyo yaive hongu, isu tichaenderera mberi nekuita zvese zvatinogona kumisa kuyerera kwemaoko, yerubatsiro, ye -

MUBVUNZO: Saka isu tingangoona, senge, kurwiswa kwemhepo kweAmerica kumisa kuyerera kwemaoko?

MR PRICE: Ndine hurombo?

MUBVUNZO: Tingangoona kurwiswa kwakagadzirirwa kumisa kuyerera kwemaoko nemauto eAmerica?

MR PRICE: Iwe wakaona kuita kusingachinjiki nechikamu chehutongi uye manejimendi apfuura kumisa kuyerera kwemaoko, kumisa kuyerera kwezvinhu kune maHouthis, uye izvo zvinosanganisira izvo zvakapihwa neIran.

Humeyra.

MUBVUNZO: Ned, kuRussia. Saka zvichave -

MUBVUNZO: (Kubva-mike.)

MUBVUNZO: - kufona nevaEurope nezve (zvisinganzwike) -

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, urombo, ngativharei kunze - ngativharei Yemen, tobva tauya kuRussia.

MUBVUNZO: Zvakanaka.

MUBVUNZO: VaHouthis vakati vanga vakananga kunhandare yendege yeUS muUAE nezuro, uye mauto eUS ati akapfura maPatriots akabata zvombo zvavo. Pachave nekuita kweUS kune Houthis, uye kunyanya kuti vari kunanga mauto eUS muUAE?

MR PRICE: Ticharamba tichibata maHouthi kuti azvidavirire nekuda kwekurwiswa kwehugandanga uku. Tichazviita nenzira dzakasiyana. Isu takatoshandisa akati wandei maturusi, uye ndinofungidzira kuti muchationa tichiramba tichidaro mumazuva nemavhiki ari pamberi.

Yemen, zvakadaro?

MUBVUNZO: Imwezve paYemen.

MR PRICE: Chokwadi.

MUBVUNZO: Ko iyo US yasvika pane imwe mhedziso yakasiyana here pamusoro pekuti mhedzisiro yekuunza rubatsiro ingave yakadii nezita? Uye kana zvisina kudaro, sei uchifarira pfungwa yacho?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, tiri kuita nevamwe veavo vane chekuita vandambotaura kuti vaenderere mberi nekunzwa maonero avo, kuunganidza maonero avo. Chokwadi zvimwe zvekunetsekana zvatakanzwa gore rapfuura zvingangoshanda. Mubvunzo ndewekuti isu tinogona here - kana kusandurwa patsva kungave - kungave kuri mukuda kweUnited States, kungave kuri mukuchengetedza kwedu, kuve mukuchengetedzeka kwevatinodyidzana navo mudunhu, uye zvingave mune zvido. isu tine mukuona kupera kwekukonana uye njodzi yekubatsira vanhu muYemen.

Saka zvanga zvakaoma – zvinhu zvakaoma zvatiri kuyera, asi sekutaura kwaPresident, tiri kufunga – tiri kufunga nezvesarudzo.

Pane chimwe chinhu paYemen? Humeyra.

MUBVUNZO: Zvakanaka. Tora maviri. PaRussia, saka kuchave nekufona nevaEurope masikati ano neMutungamiri Biden. Ini ndanga ndichinetseka - izvi zvakabvunzwa muWhite House muchidimbu zvakare, asi kana iwe uchikwanisa kujekesa zvishoma pane izvo manejimendi anotarisira kuwana kuburikidza nekufona uku. Uye takanzwa Mutungamiri Biden svondo rapfuura vachibvuma pachena kuparuka kuri mukati meNATO Alliance pamwe chete neveEuropean kuti voita sei - kunyatsopindura sei. Pave nekuvandudzwa kupi nekupi kubva ipapo nevaEurope? Wave pedyo nekuve papeji imwechete here? Uye pane chikonzero here chekuti isu titarisire kuti mushure mekufona uku iwe uchave wakawanda pane imwechete peji kuti ungapindura sei kune kudiki incursion, kana huru incursion, chero zvingave?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka. Humeyra, sezvaunoziva, takanga tiri muEurope svondo rapfuura. Takanga tiri muKyiv. Takazoenda kuBerlin, uko pamusoro pokusangana navadyidzani vedu vokuGermany Secretary akava nomukana wokusangana neinonzi European Quad. Izvi zvisati zvaitika, takanga tiri kuEurope mwedzi wapfuura kwatakava nemukana wekusangana nevedu NATO Allies, neOSCE. Mumavhiki aipindira, Munyori, Mutevedzeri weMunyori, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, tisingatauri Mutungamiriri uye National Security Advisor nevamwe vakawanda vakanga vari parunhare nguva dzose nevabatsiri uye vanobatana kuti vakurukure hutsinye hweRussia uye mhinduro.

Uye ini ndinoda kutora nharo nechikonzero chemubvunzo wako nekuti mune zvese izvi zvisungo - mu-munhu kubatanidzwa, nhaurirano, vhidhiyo makonferensi - mune imwe neimwe yezvibvumirano izvi, takanzwa, uye imi makanzwawo. kubva kwete isu chete asi kubva kune vatinodyidzana navo vekuEurope uye vatinoshanda navo, vadyidzani, NATO, OSCE, G7, European Union, European Council - wakanzwa meseji imwechete: Kana chero mauto eRussia akayambuka muganhu, inovandudzwa. invasion; ichasangana nekukurumidza, kwakasimba, uye kwakabatana kudavidza kudivi reUnited States uye kudivi revabatsiri vedu.

Saka hapana kusajeka pamusoro pazvo. Hapana kusajeka. Hakuna chiedza chemasikati. Tinozviziva izvozvo. Uye zvakakosha, iyo Russian Federation inozviziva.

MUBVUNZO: Rudyi. Saka izvo - zvakanaka, ndatenda. Kune chiedza chemasikati, asi handisi kuzovaraidza izvozvo kwenguva yakareba. Ndanga ndiri - ndiri kushamisika, unogona here kujekesa zvishoma pane izvo zvauri kuda kuita nemusangano uyu? Uye ipapo ini ndichaenda kune isiri-pepa.

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, rega ndidzoke kukutaura kwako kwakapfava - uye pamwe kwakangoitirwa kuti kuve kutaura kwakapusa, asi handina kukwanisa kuramba.

MUBVUNZO: Aiwa, kungoti, ndinoreva kuti, President vataura kuti pane kupesana kwemaonero, uye izvi zvave zvinhu zvatanga tichiona. Takaona chii -

MR PRICE: Zvamakanzwa naPresident, zvamakanzwa naSecretary, zvamakanzwa kubva kuna National Security Advisor, zvamakanzwa nevamwe ndezvekuti pakaitika hutsinye hweRussia kuUkraine, pane mhinduro. Ichakurumidza; zvichange zvakaoma. Muchiitiko chekupinda, zvinenge zvisati zvamboitika maererano nematanho atakagadzirira kutora.

Uye iwe unogona kutaura kuti kune masikati, asi ndinovimba iwewo unotarisa uye unoteerera kune zvirevo zvakabuda kubva kuEuropean capitals, zvirevo zvakabva kuNATO, kubva kuOSCE, kubva kuG7, kubva kuEuropean Commission, kubva kuUnited States, kubva kune vatinoshanda navo vakamira padivi peMunyori Blinken, angave ari Gurukota rezvekunze Baerbock, angave ari mamwe madhiri nevadyidzani vatakasangana navo mumavhiki apfuura uye mumwedzi miviri yapfuura.

Saka munhu anogona kuti kune chiedza chemasikati; asi zvirokwazvo, kana iwe ukatarisa vhoriyamu uye zvinhu zvakatanhamara mukati meruzhinji rekodhi, ndinofunga izvo zvingaramba izvo kutaura.

MUBVUNZO: Imi vakomana muchange muchitumira iyi isiri-pepa, senge, svondo rino? Unogona here kutaura zvishoma nezve tekinoroji yeiyo, izvo zvingasanganisire?

MR PRICE: Saka sekutaura kwaSecretary neChishanu, tinotarisira kuti tichakwanisa kutumira mhinduro yakanyorwa svondo rino. Tisati taita izvozvo, uye zvatiri kuita izvozvi - uye izvi zvinosvika kumubvunzo wako wepakutanga nezvekubatana nevadyidzani vedu vekuEurope - izvo zvatanga tichiita, sezvamunoziva uye sezvawaona, kugarisana uye kubatana. kubvunzana nevabatsiri vedu uye vatinoshanda navo mhiri kweAtlantic.

Isu tanga tichiita izvi maererano neasati amboitika, anokurumidza, akasimba, akasimba, akabatana mhinduro iyo Russia yaizotsungirira muchiitiko chekuwedzera hutsinye, asi isu tanga tichizviita muchirevo chemhinduro yakanyorwa yatichapa. kuRussian Federation, sezvatave tichizviita maererano nezvatave tichitaura pamusoro penzvimbo dzingave nemukana wekufambira mberi pamatanho akaenzana anogona kusimudzira kuchengetedzwa kwedu pamwe chete. Uye nekuchengetedzwa kwakabatana, ndinoreva kuchengetedzeka kwenharaunda yetransatlantic asi zvakare inogona kugadzirisa zvimwe zvinonetsa izvo Russia yaisa pamberi.

Saka sezvatinofunga nhanho inotevera mukubatana kwedu - uye ndiko, iko, kupihwa kwemhinduro yakanyorwa kuRussian Federation - isu tiri kugovera iwo mazano nevedu - uye isu takagovana pfungwa idzodzo nevadyi vedu vekuEurope uye vatinoshanda navo. Tiri kutora mhinduro dzavo. Tiri kubatanidza mhinduro iyoyo mumhinduro yakanyorwa. Uye kana tagadzirira kuzvifambisa, tichazviita. Ndinotarisira kuti zvichave svondo rino.

Francesco.

MUBVUNZO: Ned, saka wati hapana chiedza chezuva pane mhinduro, uye tichazviona. Asi pane zvakajeka - uye zviri pachena kunze uko - masikati machena pane hunhu hwekutyisidzira. VeEuropean, French, nevamwe, VaBorrell, vanoita sekunge vatsamwiswa nenzwi rinotyisa muWashington nezve kutyisidzira kuri kuuya, uye vari - vanga vachiti hatifanirwe kuvhunduka, isu tine. kudzikama, uye hatisi kuona kuti kutyisidzira kwave pedyo sekutaura kunoita US. Iwe uchiri kuti pane - pane kutyisidzira kuri kuuya kwekupinda? Sei pane musiyano uyu pakati pako nevaEurope?

MR PRICE: Francesco, hatisi kuona mutsauko waunoreva.

MUBVUNZO: Vari kuzvitaura. Vari kutaura pachena kuti -

MR PRICE: Zvatinoona uye zvaunogona kuona zvakare ndizvo zvirevo. Uye zvirevo - chirevo chekuti, semuenzaniso, chakabva kuEuropean Commission icho chakataura zvinoshamisa zvakafanana kana zvisiri - kana zvisiri mutauro wakafanana kune chirevo chakabuda kubva kuG7 muNATO maererano nemhedzisiro yaizowira Russian Federation muchiitiko ichi. zvehasha dzakadai kuUkraine. Yakave - iyi yanga isiri iyo United States chete ichiita nyaya iyi. Isu tanga tichitaura senge korasi nevadyidzani vedu vekuEurope uye vatinoshanda navo, nemasangano emarudzi akawanda uye miviri yakaita seNATO neOSCE uye G7. Uye zvakare, kana ukatarisa mutauro wacho - uye haungashamiswe kunzwa kuti izvi zvanga zvisiri zvekungofunga - uchaona mutauro wakafanana zvinoshamisa kune vatinodyidzana navo nevatinoshanda navo uye nemasangano akasiyana siyana aya.

Kana zvasvika kune zvakarongwa nemaRussia, zviri pachena sezuva rekuti chero munhu anogona kuona kuvakwa kukuru kwemauto eRussia pamiganhu yeUkraine. Isu takanyatsojeka pamusoro pekunetseka kwedu kana zvasvika kune dzimwe nzira dzechisimba uye kudenha izvo maRussia angatsvaga kutora uye akatotora. Asi pane munhu mumwechete anoziva izvo Russian Federation yakachengetera Ukraine, uye ndiye Vladimir Putin.

Chinangwa chedu chave chiri chekudzivisa uye kudzivirira kubva kune chero zvirongwa zvakadaro, sezvatakagadzirira kuenderera mberi munzira yediplomacy uye nhaurirano. Wationa tichienderera mberi nenzira iyo yedhipatimendi uye nhaurirano nenzira yechokwadi uye yakatsiga mumavhiki apfuura. Kufamba kwemunyori kuenda kuGeneva svondo rapfuura raingove danho rekupedzisira mukuita uku iro rakabatawo Mutevedzeri weMunyori mumisangano yake neRussian Federation paStrategic Stability Dialogue, misangano kuNATO-Russia Council, kubatanidzwa mumamiriro ezvinhu. yeOSCE, uye vamwe vanobatana vanga vachibatana neRussian Federation kusvika izvi.

Saka kuti tinyatsojeka, takagadzirira kuenderera mberi nenzira iyi. Iyi nzira inogona kubudirira chete kana ikaitika mumamiriro ekuderera. Asi nekuda kwekuti isu takagadzirira uye takabatikana muhurongwa uye nzira yediplomacy uye nhaurirano hazvireve kuti hatisi kugadzirira nekudzivirira uye kudzivirira. Tiri kuita ese ari maviri panguva imwe chete chaizvo nekuti takagadzirira chero sarudzo inoitwa naVladimir Putin.

MUBVUNZO: Uye iwe unofunga kuti kune kutyisidzira kuri pedyo kwekurwiswa, kuti kurwiswa kunogona kunge kwave pedyo, nekukasira, sekutaura kunoita veEuropean uri kuvaudza, maererano nehungwaru hwako?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, isu tave pachena nezve izvi mune chero nhamba yenzvimbo, kusanganisira mune consular advisory yatakapa nezuro manheru. Kutyisidzirwa kwatiri kuona kwakajeka kwete kwatiri chete asi kwakajeka kune chero munhu anongotarisa akapihwa zviri kuitika pamiganhu yeUkraine, zviri kuitika mukati meiyo inofanirwa kuve yakazvimirira ndima yeBelarusian, chikonzero chekunetsekana kukuru. Saka tiri kutora matanho akachenjera. Isu, hongu, tiri kugovera ruzivo uye hungwaru nevatinoshanda navo vanotaura kune kunetseka kwedu uye zvakare vanotaura nezve chokwadi chekuti maRussia anoita seakagadzirira kukwanisa kuita zvehasha kuUkraine chero nguva.

MUBVUNZO: Asi kutevera pfungwa yaFrancesco -

MUBVUNZO: Uye imwe chete yekupedzisira. Tinofanira kutarisira here kusangana kutsva kana musangano kana musangano chaiwo pakati peMunyori uye Gurukota rezvekunze Lavrov mushure memhinduro yazvino?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, iwe wakanzwa kubva kune Minister wekunze svondo rapfuura. Makanzwawo naSecretary svondo rapfuura kuti tichapa mhinduro yakanyorwa. Isu takavhurika kune zvimwe zvisungo, mu-munhu zvisungo, kana zvingave - zvingave zvichibatsira kana isu tichifunga kuti zvingavake, kana isu tichifunga kuti chinofanirwa kunge chiri chinhu chinotevera apo isu tichitevera nzira yenhaurirano uye diplomacy. Saka takasununguka kwazviri.

Rosiland.

MUBVUNZO: Kutevera mibvunzo yaFrancesco, maminetsi mashoma apfuura mutauriri wePentagon akati, uye ini ndiri kutaura zvishoma pano, kuti kana NATO ikamisa NRF, vese vakaudza huwandu hwemauto ayo Munyori. vanenge 8,500 vashandi. Mune izvo - mune iyo chiyero, aimbove mumiriri weUS kuUkraine John Herbst akaudza NPR mangwanani ano kuti aifunga kuti chero hurukuro yekuti mauto eUS aendeswe mberi senzira yekuwedzera anofanirwa kunge aitwa zvisati zvaitika. Sei zvasvika svondo rino kuti hutongi hweBiden huri kufunga kuisa mauto eUS munzvimbo yakatumirwa kumberi sechikamu cheNATO kuti vatumire meseji kuna Vladimir Putin?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, regai nditaure mapoinzi maviri. Chekutanga, ndichadzoreredza kune wandaishanda naye uye akanditangira kutaura kune hurongwa huri kushanda nePentagon, asi Mutungamiriri anga akajeka nezvemhedzisiro yaizowira Russian Federation kana Russia ikaenderera mberi nekuwedzera hukasha. kurwisa Ukraine. Takataura nezvehupfumi uye mhedzisiro yezvemari iyo Russia yaizotsungirira iyo nenzira dzakawanda isati yamboitika, matanho atakasarudza kusatora mushure megore ra2014. ingave yakagadzirira kupa vatinoshanda navo vekuUkraine, pamusoro uye kupfuura $650 miriyoni yatakapa Kyiv mukati megore rapfuura chete. Ndiko rubatsiro rwakawanda rwekuchengetedza kupfuura rwakambopihwa mugore rimwe kune vatinoshanda navo muUkraine.

Asi Mutungamiriri akavewo pachena kuti kana maRussia aizoenda kumberi, isu taizosimbisa iyo inonzi yekumabvazuva kweNATO. Asi kunyangwe sezvatakataura izvozvo, hatina kumbobvisa sarudzo yekupa rumwe rubatsiro pamberi pekupinda nechisimba. Uye saka kune akati wandei mhedzisiro yatakatsanangura iyo Russian Federation yaizotsungirira. Pane akati wandei matanho atiri kutora iko zvino maererano nerubatsiro rwedu rwekudzivirira rwekuUkraine, maererano nekutumira meseji yatiri kuisa pamberi pemhedzisiro inowira Russian Federation, uye ikozvino zvauri kunzwa. kubva kune wandinoshanda naye kuPentagon.

MUBVUNZO: Zvichitevera izvozvo, dzine nhaurirano idzi dzekuda kushandisa mauto eUS - chave chikamu chemhinduro dziri kuitika mukati mehutongi hweBiden mishumo iyi isati yazivikanwa svondo rino? Icho chaive chikamu chinoshingaira chehurukuro pamusoro pekuita nehutsinye hweRussia?

MR PRICE: Ini ndaizotaura kazhinji, ndisingataure nenhaurirano dzemukati, kuti chimwe chinhu chakadai hachiwanzo buda pachena kana chikangosumwa. Isu tanga tichifunga akati wandei matanho, uye urikunzwa Pentagon ichitaura pachena kwairi nhasi. Iyo nyaya yekuti vari kutaura pachena kwairi nhasi inoratidza kuti hachisi chinhu chitsva apo isu tichifunga mhinduro kune zvatiri kuona izvozvi.

MUBVUNZO: Izvi zvakagadzirirwa kuita kuti vanhu vekuRussia vafungezve nezve kuendeswa kwemamwe mauto mukati meBelarus uye kuyedza kuwedzera kuvepo kwayo kumaodzanyemba kweUkraine?

MR PRICE: Chinangwa chedu mune zvese izvi ndechekudzivirira uye kudzivirira. Saka tiri kutora matanho akawanda mukudzivirira kweUkraine, kusanganisira nekupa rubatsiro rwekudzivirira kuchengetedza, asi kutora matanho akawanda ekudzivisa izvo Russian Federation uye izvo Vladimir Putin angave achifunga. Saka kumubvunzo wako, hongu.

MUBVUNZO: Uyezve imwezve: Mumiriri weUS kuUN akapa muchidimbu nhasi, uye mubvunzo wakauya kuti ndedzipi hurukuro dzaanga achiita nedzimwe nhengo dzeSecurity Council nezvemamiriro ezvinhu aya, uye Ambassador Thomas-Greenfield vakatobvumira kuti anga achitaura nemumwe wake wekuRussia. Akapomerwa mhosva yei kutaura kuna Ambassador Nebenzya nezvekutyisidzira kunoonekwa neUS kune hutongi hweUkraine? Uye sei US isina kusundidzira musangano weSecurity Council panyaya iyi Russia isati yatora chigaro chemutungamiri wenyika neChipiri chinotevera?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, ndinofunga iwe wakanzwawo kubva kuMumiriri kuti anga achibatikana zvakanyanya nevamwe vake paSecurity Council uye neruzhinji rwevamwe vake kuUN. Akabvuma kuti anga achitaurirana nemumwe wake wekuRussia, asi ndinogona kukuvimbisa - uye ndinofunga sezvawakanzwawo kubva kwaari - kuti mumwe wake wekuRussia haasiye ega waari kutaura naye. Uye ndingatarisira kuti unganzwa kubva kwaari kuti kufambidzana kwake nevabatsiri vedu, kusanganisira avo vari kuSecurity Council, uye vatinoshanda navo kwakawedzera zvakanyanya kupfuura kufambidzana kwaakaita nemumwe wake wekuRussia kuSecurity Council.

Asi maererano nemeseji, meseji yave kunzwa maRussia kubva kwatiri yakajeka uye zvakare yanga ichienderana. Zvave zvakajeka uye zvinowirirana paruzhinji; zvanga zviri pachena uye zvinoenderana pachivande. Chokutanga uye chakakosha, tinosarudza nzira yediplomacy uye nhaurirano. Isu tinotenda kuti ndiyo yega nzira ine chekuita yekudzikisira uye kumisa kuenderera mberi kweRussia kurwisa Ukraine uye chii - chero humwe hurongwa hungave hwakachengetwa neRussian Federation. Ivo vakanzwa zvakare - uye vakanzwa izvi mukuita kwedu pachivande, asiwo pachena zvakare - kuti sezvatakagadzirira nhaurirano uye diplomacy, tiri kutsvaga kudzivirira uye kudzivirira, uye takataura nazvo. zvakanyanya nhasi. Asi vaRussia vanoziva, nokuti vakanzwa kubva kwatiri zvakananga, kuti takagadzirira kuita. Vanoziva kuti pane dzimwe nyaya dzatinofunga kuti nhaurirano nedhipatimendi zvinogona kudzokororwa zvakanaka pakuchengetedzwa kwedu pamwe chete, kuchengetedzwa kwakabatana kwenharaunda yetransatlantic, uye zvinogona kubatsira kupindura kune zvimwe zvinonetsa zvakaitwa neRussian Federation.

Asi ivo vakanzwawo kubva kwatiri, uye izvi zvakakoshawo, kuti kune dzimwe nzvimbo, kusanganisira mutemo weNATO we "Open Door", uko kusina nzvimbo yekutengeserana. Hapana zvachose. Uye saka pane zvese zvataita, angave Munyori, Mutevedzeri weMunyori, Ambassador Thomas-Greenfield, iwo mameseji anga akajeka uye achienderana.

Akadaro.

MUBVUNZO: Ned, ndinoda kuchinja misoro.

MR PRICE: Chero chimwe chinhu pane - zvakanaka, ndinoona panogona kunge paine mimwe mibvunzo yakati wandei. Ben.

MUBVUNZO: Hongu, kubviswa kwechikamu kwemumiriri kunoratidza zvakajeka kuti une hanya nezvekuchengetedzwa kwevaAmerica muUkraine. Uye iwe wakanyatsojekesa zvaizoitika kana Russia yaizopinda nechisimba. Uchatora mukana uyu zvakare kunyevera Russia kuti isakuvadza chero vanhu vekuAmerica uye utaure kuti kana vakaita sei?

MR PRICE: Saka rega nditore mubvunzo iwoyo uye ndijekese kuti isu hatina kukosha kwepamusoro kupfuura kuchengetedzeka nekuchengetedzeka kwevanhu vekuAmerica pasi rese. Uye nezuro manheru makatinzwa tichitaura kune nhanho dzakangwara dzatiri kutora mumamiriro enharaunda yedu yevamiriri muKyiv, tichiziva kuti maRussia ane mauto makuru aya, kuti vanogona kunge vakagadzirira kutora danho rakasimba chero nguva. Uye saka kuenda kwakatenderwa kwevasiri ve emergency vashandi ve embassy yedu uye nekubva kwakarairwa kwevanotsamira chikamu uye chikamu uye chinoratidza kukosha kwakakosha kwatinoisa kukuchengetedza nekuchengetedzeka kwevanhu veAmerica.

Ini handidi kupinda munhaurirano dzakavanzika, asi takazvijekesa kune vanhu vekuRussia izvo zvatinokoshesa kuchengetedzeka nekuchengetedzeka kwevanhu vekuAmerica. Vanoziva kuti ndicho chinhu chinonyanya kukosha kwatiri. Vanoziva kuti tinoenda kune hurefu hunoshamisa kuchengetedza kuchengeteka kwavo nekuchengeteka. Uye ndichazvisiya zvakadaro.

MUBVUNZO: Panyaya yehuwandu hwevanhu, vekuAmerica mukati meUkraine, nezuro ndinoziva Dhipatimendi reHurumende raisazotorwa pahuwandu chaihwo. Asi imhaka yekuti hauzive kuti vangani kana kuti haungataure kuti vangani vekuAmerica vari mukati meUkraine?

MR PRICE: Chinangwa chedu nguva dzose ndechekukupa ruzivo rwakakodzera nguva uye rwakarurama, uye izvozvi hatina - nhamba yatinofunga kuti yakarurama yehuwandu hwevanhu vekuAmerica, vakazvimirira vekuAmerica, vanogara muUkraine, uye ini ndichataura. iwe sei. Iwe wakanzwa izvi mumamiriro ezvinhu eAfghanistan, asi kana vanhu vekuAmerica vaenda mhiri kwemakungwa ivo, hongu, havafanirwe kunyoresa kune embassy munyika. Tinogara tichikurudzira vanhu vekuAmerica kuti vanyorese kana vachifamba kunze kwenyika neinoti STEP system, asi ndinofunga kuti vazhinji venyu mungapupura, pamunofamba mhiri kwemakungwa hamungadaro nguva dzose. Uye vamwe venyu zvimwe hamusati mamboita izvozvo.

Saizvozvo, kana vanhu vekuAmerica vabva munyika, vaizofanira kuzvinyoresa. Uye zvakapihwa kuti vazhinji vanogona kusanyoresa pakutanga, ndinofunga ifungidziro yakachengeteka kuti vazhinji - avo vanonyatso kunyoresa vanogona kusazvibvisa kubva kune iyo tally yevagari vekuAmerica vanogona kunge vari kugara kune imwe nyika.

Imwe pfungwa ndeyekuti kunyangwe vanhu vachinyoresa, Bazi reHurumende harikwanise kuzvionera rakazvimirira kuti munhu akanyoresa muSTEP, inonzi STEP system, munhu ari muAmerica. Saka pane nhamba - nekuda kwezvikonzero zvakati, tally - isu hatina tally chaiyo parizvino.

Kana tatumira meseji nevanhu vekuAmerica mu- nharaunda yakazvimirira yevagari vekuAmerica muKyiv, kuUkraine mumazuva achangopfuura, takavakurudzira kuti vazadze fomu rinozotibatsira kuwana hukuru hwenharaunda yeAmerica - yakazvimirira yevagari vekuAmerica. muUkraine. Asi ichocho hachisi chimwe chinhu chatiinacho izvozvi.

MUBVUNZO: Uye imwezve. Wataura nezve Afghanistan. Ndinoshamisika kana pane - pane chimwe chinhu kubva kuAfghanistan chawakadzidza nezve kuzivisa uye kununura maAmerican mukati menzvimbo yehondo yaunofunga kuti inogona kushandiswa pano?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, aya haasi mamiriro akafanana, uye saka ndingavenga kutaura neimwe nzira. Mhosva yedu huru ndeyekuita kuti vagari vemuUS vazive nezve chengetedzo nekuchengetedzeka kuri kuitika. Ndozvatakaita nguva pfupi yadarika nezuro manheru patakaburitsa yakagadziridzwa Yekufamba Advisory uye inoperekedza Media Note kuti tivazivise nezve chengetedzo nekuchengetedzwa. Uye izvo zvinogona kusanganisira ruzivo pane zvekutengesa zvekufambisa sarudzo.

Taita izvi nekuti, sekutaura kwakaita Mutungamiriri, mauto eRussia anogona kuuya chero nguva. Uye isu tese tinoziva uye isu tese takaona zviratidzo kuti ndizvo zvazviri, tichipihwa hukuru hwemauto kuvaka. Isu tave zvakare pachena kuti isu hatizokwanisa kuburitsa vagari vemuUS, vagari vega veUS, munjodzi yakadai. Uye ndosaka takakurudzira vagari vekuAmerica vakazvimiririra vangangove vari muUkraine kuti varonge zvinoenderana, kusanganisira nekushandisa ivo pachavo sarudzo dzekutengesa kana vakasarudza kubva munyika. Kunyangwe isu tiri kuderedza ukuru hweembassy tsoka yedu, embassy iripo kubatsira vagari vekuAmerica mune izvi. Isu tiri mu - isu tinokwanisa kupa, semuenzaniso, zvikwereti zvekudzosera kune chero maAmerican anotsvaga kuzviwanira iwo ezvokutengeserana sarudzo kuti vadzokere kuUnited States.

MUBVUNZO: Ned -

MUBVUNZO: Ndinogona kutevera pane -

MUBVUNZO: Kana usina basa nazvo.

MR PRICE: Chokwadi.

MUBVUNZO: Kutanga, chii chaunoda kuwana kubva mumusangano ne - uyo Biden ari kuita ne - nevatungamiriri veEurope? Zvichida zviri kuvakira pamusangano waVaBlinken mangwanani ano. Saka chii chaunoda kuwana kubva ipapo?

Vaviri, mumusangano mangwanani ano uyo VaBlinken vakaita neEuropean Council, vakawana mibvunzo pamusoro pechisarudzo cheUnited States chekutanga kuderedza embassy? Nekuti vamwe vekuEurope havasi papeji imwe chete, uye sekutaura kwaFrancesco, isu tiri kukurudzira kuti rhetoric yaifanira kuderedzwa zvishoma, kuti pakanga pasina mutsauko mukuchengetedzeka kuratidza kurwiswa kwava pedyo. Saka chii chaunotarisira kuwana, uye chii chakaitwa naVaBlinken pamusoro pemaitiro eAmerica?

MR PRICE: Saka sezvawakataura, Barbara, Munyori akatora chikamu nhasi muEU's Foreign Affairs Council. Akakokwa neEU High Representative Josep Borrell. Kuti ndikupe kuravira kweizvozvo, Munyori akapfupisa vamwe vake pakushanya kwake svondo rapfuura kuKyiv, kuBerlin, uye kuGeneva. Sechikamu chekuedza, tataura na- kuti tideredze kunetsana kwakakonzerwa nekuvakwa kwemauto eRussia kusingaderedzerwe uye kuramba kuchirwisa Ukraine.

Mukubatana mangwanani ano, Munyori akasimbisa kuti ticharamba tichibatana neEU pamwe nenyika dzenhengo dzayo mukuwedzera kune mamwe masangano mazhinji atakatotaura. Ndiyo NATO, ndiyo OSCE, uye nevabatsiri vega uye vanobatika. Uye mukati memusangano uyu, Munyori akaratidza kuti nekuvazivisa muchidimbu nezvezvisungo svondo rapfuura, hongu, kusanganisira kusangana neGurukota rezvekunze Lavrov.

Iwe wakaona kuti nguva pfupi mushure memusangano neGurukota rezvekunze Lavrov wapera neChishanu, Munyori akawanawo mukana wekutaura kune mumwe wake wekuUkraine kuti amutsigire pamusoro penhaurirano idzi, uye ndiyo tsika yatakaita mukati mese. kubatanidzwa kwedu - nevadyi vedu vekuEurope, vatinodyidzana navo vekuEurope, hongu kusanganisira vatinoshanda navo vekuUkraine, nekuti isu tiri kushanda nechero chinhu pamusoro pavo pasina ivo. Hapana chinhu pamusoro peUkraine pasina Ukraine. Hapana nezveEurope pasina Europe. Hapana nezveNATO pasina NATO.

Naizvozvo kupinda kwaSekiri pamusangano nhasi wakanga uri mumwe mukana mune imwe nzvimbo yokuti tiite izvozvo chaizvo. Hongu, President vakabatikana zvikuru mune izvi zvakare. Iwe wakaona kuti akaunganidza timu yake, mumunhu uye chaizvo, kuCamp David kupera kwevhiki kuti vakurukure izvi. Saka hazvifanire kushamisa kuti Mutungamiriri achawana mukana wekutaura kune mumwe wake nezvenyaya idzi nedzimwechete - nepfungwa imwe chete iyoyo.

Kana zvasvika kune sarudzo yatakaita husiku hwapfuura, ini ndinongoda kudzokorora iyo yakakosha poindi, uye ndeyekuti ichi chinenge chiyedzo chimwe chete uye chirevo chimwe chete, uye ndiko kuchengetedzeka nekuchengetedzeka kwechikwata chedu pasi muUkraine. . Uye rakanga riri danho rakangwara kana zvasvika pakusimuka kwakarairwa kwevanorarama. Yakanga iri nhanho ine hungwaru kana yasvika pakusimuka kwemvumo yevashandi vasingakoshi.

Asi regai ndive pachena kuti danho iri haritauri chinhu nezvekuzvipira kwedu kuhutongi hweUkraine uye kuperera kwayo. Kuzvipira kwedu kune hutongi hweUkraine uye kutendeseka kwenzvimbo hakuna kuzununguka. Embassy inoramba ichishanda uye charge, hongu, inoramba iri muUkraine. Icho chokwadi chekuti tiri kutora matanho akangwara nekuda uye kuchengetedzeka kwevagari vemuUS hazvitadzise rutsigiro rwedu kana kuzvipira kuUkraine. Iwe wakaona kuti rutsigiro runotora chero nhamba yemafomu.

Zvechokwadi, Munyori aingova muKyiv vhiki yapfuura, kwawakamunzwa achidzokorora mashoko aya pedyo neMutungamiri Zelenskyy, pedyo neMutungamiriri Wezvekune dzimwe nyika Kuleba. Takaenderera mberi nekupa rubatsiro rwekudzivirira kuchengetedza. Yekutanga kuendeswa kweimwe chikamu chemadhora mazana maviri emamiriyoni akabvumidzwa muna Zvita akasvika muKyiv husiku hweChishanu kusvika Mugovera. Ticharamba tichipa rubatsiro rwekuchengetedza kuchengetedza kune vatinoshanda navo, uye isu ticharamba tichiratidza pasina mubvunzo kuzvipira kusingagumi kwatinazvo kune kutendeseka kwenzvimbo uye hutongi hwemumwe wedu Ukraine.

MUBVUNZO: Ned -

MUBVUNZO: Ndinogona kutevera pane izvozvo?

MR PRICE: Ndapota.

MUBVUNZO: Nekuti wati zvakare idanho rakangwara, asi Hurumende yeUkraine yakanyatsopikisa danho iri uye gurukota rezvekunze nhasi rakazvidaidza kuti kungwarira zvakanyanya. Pane pfungwa here mukutonga kuti izvi zvingadai zvakagadzira kutya mukati meUkraine panguva iyo ndizvo chaizvo izvo Russia iri kuyedza kuita nekumisa kusagadzikana munyika?

MR PRICE: Izvi ndezvechinhu chimwe uye chinhu chimwe chete, uye icho-

MUBVUNZO: Wambofunga here kuvhunduka kwazvingadai zvakakonzera?

MR PRICE: Ndine hurombo. Takaitei?

MUBVUNZO: Wafunga here kuvhunduka kwazvingadai zvakakonzera?

MR PRICE: Zvatakafunga nezvekuchengetedza uye kuchengetedzwa kwevanhu veAmerica. Uye ichi chisarudzo chingaitwe neHurumende yeUnited States chete nekuti chinhu chakakosha chatinonamatira kuchengetedzeka nekuchengetedzeka, mune iyi nyaya, vatinoshanda navo nemhuri dzavo zvakare. Izvi hazvireve chinhu kune yedu isingazununguki, isingaperi rutsigiro rwevatinoshanda navo vekuUkraine. Zviri pamusoro pechinhu chimwe uye chinhu chimwe chete: iyo yakatetepa chengetedzo nechengetedzo kufunga kwevatinoshanda navo.

MUBVUNZO: Asi izvi zvakasanganiswa nechiziviso chePentagon nhasi nezve kuisa mauto zviuru zvisere nemazana mashanu pakumira, mukuwedzera kune ruzhinji rwevanhu neChishanu nekuuya kwerubatsiro rutsva runouraya, zvinoita sekunge uri kuwedzera kudzvanya kwako pano kuRussia neimwe nzira. Unoramba izvozvo here? Iwe unofunga kuti chimiro chako chachinja zvachose?

MR PRICE: Izvi ndezvekudzivirira uye kudzivirira. Zvatiri kunetseka nazvo ndezvekugona kwechisimba cheRussia. Izvo hazvisi zvekudzivirira. Izvo hazvisi zvekudzivisa. Izvo ndezvekuita zvinogumbura nyika yakazvimirira, nyika yakazvimirira inodyidzana neUnited States. Saka kuenzanisa zvinhu zviviri izvi hazvina kunaka zvakanyanya, uye ndizvo chaizvo zvatiri kunzwa kubva kuMoscow. Izvi zvinhu zvakasiyana siyana uye matanho akasiyana atiri kutora. Dai maRussia aidzika-dzika, waisazonyatsoona mafambiro akafanana kubva kune vatinoshanda navo vekuUkraine, kubva kuNATO, kubva kuUnited States.

Heino pfungwa yakakura, uye wanzwa Munyori achitaura pfungwa iyi kakawanda. Iye chaizvo mumusangano neGurukota reKune dzimwe nyika Lavrov neChishanu akaita izvi zvakananga, akataura pfungwa iyi zvakananga kuGurukota reKune dzimwe nyika. Uye akati United States zvechokwadi hainzwisise kumira kweRussia pano nekuti mumakore ese uye mumamiriro ekukwira uku, Vladimir Putin neRussian Federation vakaisa zvese zvayakatsvaga kudzivirira. Uye wakanzwa Munyori achitaura nerutsigiro rwuri kuwedzera rwenhengo dzeNATO pakati pevaUkraine kubvira 2014, nhanho dzerutsigiro dzangowedzera zvakapetwa kaviri. Makatinzwa isu neNATO semubatanidzwa tichitaura kune hurongwa hwekusimbisa hwakasimudzwa chaizvo nehutsinye hweRussia husina kukonzeresa kuUkraine muna 2014.

Saka maRussia vanogona kunyunyuta uye vanogona kucherechedza nekunongedza kune izvi kuedza kudzivirira uye kudzivirira, asi hukasha hwavo hwakawedzera chaizvo zvatiri kunzwa nekuvaona vachinongedza.

Uye heino kumwe kunetseka, uye isu hatina kuita mapfupa pamusoro peizvi: kunetseka kwedu kuti maRussia, sezvavakaita muna 2014, vangave vari kutsvaga kugadzira chikonzero chekuwedzera hutsinye kuUkraine. Kana iwe uchida kuita izvo, izvi mune dzimwe nzira zvazvingaite senge. Ndizvo zvave zvichitinetsa kwenguva yakati. Ndosaka tataura kune kwete chete kunetseka uku kwakafara asi kuti sei takaisa ruzivo rwatinarwo chaizvo rinotaura nezvematanho angave achitorwa neRussian Federation kusvika kumagumo aya.

MUBVUNZO: Ndokumbirawo kupihwa imwezve?

MUBVUNZO: Ned -

MR PRICE: Rega ndisiye Conor apedze.

MUBVUNZO: Aiwa, zvakanaka. Mubvunzo mumwe chete wekupedzisira zvakananga pamubvunzo wekubatana kweNATO. Gurukota rezvekunze reUkraine rakataura zvakare kuti Germany iri kukanganisa kubatana muAlliance, muchidimbu nekuti vari kuvharira Estonia kuendesa zvombo, havazopa zvombo ivo pachavo, zvakataurwa nemukuru wavo wemauto kupera kwesvondo - kana svondo rapfuura. Iwe une chero mhinduro kune izvo, iyi pfungwa yekuti Germany haisi kuita zvakakwana mukati meAlliance kutsigira yakabatana kumberi?

MR PRICE: Munyori aive nemukana wekusangana kwete chete naChancellor Scholz asiwo neGurukota reKune dzimwe nyika Baerbock svondo rapfuura muBerlin, uye mushumiri wezvekune dzimwe nyika akanyatso kubvunzwa mubvunzo uyu akamira pedyo neMunyori. Uye akataura chaizvo zviri kuitwa neGermany, zvakakosha zviri kuitwa neGermany kuUkraine. Ndichaisiya kuGermany kuti nditaure kune iyo mipiro yakakosha. Asi kuti zvive pachena, hapana chiedza chemasikati pakati pevabatsiri vedu uye vatinoshanda navo pamusoro pemigumisiro yakakomba yaizowira muRussian Federation kana yaizoenda mberi.

MUBVUNZO: Kudzikisira kuchaita sei?

MUBVUNZO: Chinhu chimwe chete paUkraine, chinhu chimwe chekupedzisira paUkraine.

MUBVUNZO: Kungade-kukwira - kudzika-kukwira kunotaridzika sei? Ndinoreva, vane-ikozvino, zvinonzi vane mauto zviuru zana munharaunda yavo padivi pemuganhu. Saka kudzikisira kwaizoita sekuti pamwe vakabvisa mauto zviuru makumi maviri nezvishanu? Ndinoreva kuti, kudzikisira-kukwira kwaizotaridzika sei?

MR PRICE: Inogona kusanganisira izvozvo. Ini handisi kuzova chirevo.

MUBVUNZO: Pane, senge, mufananidzo waungade kuona?

MR PRICE: Tarisai, ini handisi kuzova anoraira nezvazvo. Ndinofunga kuderedza-kukwira kunogona kutora nzira dzakawanda. Inogona kutora chimiro chezvatiri kuona uye zvatakaona pamiganhu yeUkraine. Inogona kutora chimiro chezvatiri kuona maererano nebasa reRussia mune inofanira kuva imwe nyika yakasununguka, Belarus. Inogona kutora chimiro chezvatiri kunzwa kubva kuRussian Federation. De-escalation inogona kutora nzira dzakawanda.

Zvinogona kutora mafomu akawanda sedanho rekutanga, uye ndizvo zvatinoda kuona nechinangwa chekupedzisira mupfungwa yekuona mauto eRussia achidzokera kudzimba dzavo dzechigarire, kuti amise izvi uye apedzisire uye adzore kuvakwa uku pamwe nemiganhu yeUkraine, kurega nekutaura kwehasha. De-escalation inogona kutora nzira dzakawanda. Tingagamuchira chero ipi zvayo.

MUBVUNZO: Saka chete - chete kana mauto eRussia akadzokera mumisasa yavo nguva dzese zvichave - zvinozoonekwa sekuderera?

MR PRICE: Kwete. Pfungwa yangu ndeyekuti kune nzira dzakawanda dzekudzikisa-kukwira kunogona kutora. Panewo kuenderera mberi. Tinogashira, ingangoita nhanho yekutanga, chero nzira yekudzikisira.

MUBVUNZO: Ned -

MUBVUNZO: (Kubva-mike.)

MR PRICE: Ehe.

MUBVUNZO: Ehe, unoziva here nezve musangano uchaitwa muParis neChitatu pakati pevakuru veUkraine neRussia, uye unotarisira here kubudirira?

MR PRICE: Ehe, saka ini handitarisire chero kubatanidzwa kweAmerica mune izvozvo. Ngationei. Sezvaunoziva, tiri kubvunzana nevabatsiri uye vatinoshanda navo, kusanganisira Ukraine, kuti titarise matanho anotevera, uye tiri kutaurirana neRussian Federation zvakare, sezvatataura. Isu tinotenda kuti diplomacy ndiyo nzira yakanakisa yekumberi, uye takagadzirira kutsigira nhaurirano uye diplomacy iyo inobatsira kuderedza kusawirirana. Saka isu tinotsigira izvo kuedza kunoitwa kudivi reRussian Federation mukutenda kwakanaka.

MUBVUNZO: Waona ma tweets emumwe wako wekuUkraine, mutauriri? He tweeted tiri mubriefing. Ndichaverenga nekukasira: “Kune mamishinari zana nemakumi maviri nepfumbamwe muUkraine. Pakati peizvi, vana chete ndivo vakazivisa kusiya kwenhengo dzemhuri dzevashandi: US, UK, Australia neGermany. Vamwe vese, kusanganisira EU, OSCE, COE, NATO, neUN, havana kutaura chinangwa chavo chekutevera matanho akadaro. Une mhinduro kune izvozvo here?

MR PRICE: Handidi.

MUBVUNZO: Tinonzwa kuti vari-

MR PRICE: Ini handina mhinduro kune izvozvo. Matauriro angu chete angave amakambonzwa ndichitaura. Izvi zvinobva pachirevo chimwe chete uye chirevo chimwe chete. Icho chinhu chakakosha chatinonamatira kune chengetedzo nekuchengetedzeka kwevatinoshanda navo muUkraine.

MUBVUNZO: Zvakanaka. Ndine mubvunzo weIran - sorry.

MR PRICE: Pane chimwe chinhu paRussia-Ukraine? Ehe.

MUBVUNZO: Ndine tsvakiridzo pakudzingwa. Ini ndinobva kuUkraine media -

MR PRICE: Ah, tinogamuchira.

MUBVUNZO: - uye ndinoda kujekesa kuti United States haina kuburitsa vamiriri kunyangwe mukati mezuva rakaipisisa mumakore masere apfuura. Uye Kyiv iri kure zvakakwana kubva kumuganhu weRussia. Zvinoreva here kuti kubva paruzivo rwako uye kubva kuhuchenjeri hwako, guta redu guru - guta reUkraine rinotarirwa uye ndiyo inonyanya kutariswa yekurwisa kweRussia?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, tarisa, hongu, ini handisi kuzotaura kune chero hungwaru, asi sezvatakataura, kusanganisira mukuzivisa kwedu nezuro manheru, tiri kuita izvi sedanho rekuchenjera nekuda kwekuenderera mberi kweRussia kuedza kudzikamisa nyika. uye kukanganisa kuchengetedzeka kwevagari vekuUkraine nevamwe vanoshanyira kana kugara muUkraine.

MUBVUNZO: Uye vakuru vakuru veUnited States vakadzokorora kutaura - uye ndizvo zvauri - kuti hausi kukanda mapfumo pasi pakuedza kwezvematongerwo enyika kuRussia. Ungajekesa here? Iwe watotaura nezvekuchengetedzwa - kuchengetedzwa kwekubatana. Unorevei chaizvo? Ndeipi nzvimbo yekutaurirana neRussia? Uye chii chiri nyaya yokubvumirana pane zvisina kufanira?

MR PRICE: Saka isu tagara tichitaura kuti tinoda kuita nhaurirano uye diplomacy, uye takaita nhaurirano uye diplomacy neRussian Federation tichiziva, hongu, kuti maRussia akaburitsa zvibvumirano zvavo zviviri. Pane zvimwe zvinhu muzvibvumirano izvozvo, sezvamakanzwa tichitaura kakawanda, izvo zvisiri zvekutanga, kusanganisira iyo inonzi "Open Door" mutemo weNATO.

Asi kune dzimwe nzvimbo idzo - uko nhaurirano uye diplomacy zvinogona kubatsira kuvandudza chengetedzo yedu pamwe chete, chengetedzo yetransatlantic. Ndingataura pfungwa yekuti kunyange kuvakwa kwemauto eRussia kusati kwatanga kumiganhu yeUkraine, takange tatoita makonsheni maviri eStrategic Stability Dialogue, nzvimbo yakashandiswa nemutevedzeri wemunyori Sherman svondo rimwe chete kusangana nemumwe wake wekuRussia kuti vakurukure zvimwe zveizvi. nyaya. Uye chokwadi chekuti iyo inonzi SSD yakatanga mushure memusangano pakati peMutungamiri Putin neMutungamiri Biden munaChikumi inotaura nezvenyaya yekuti isu tinotenda kuti pane nyaya kana tasvika pakutonga kwezvombo, semuenzaniso, kwatinogona kuita hurukuro dzine zvibereko maRussia anogona kugadzirisa matambudziko edu ekuchengetedza, zvichireva avo vari muUnited States nevatidyidzani vedu uye vatinoshanda navo, uye vanogona zvakare kupindura kune zvimwe zvinonetsa zvakataurwa nemaRussia. Saka takanyatso taura nezvekuiswa kwezvombo zvinokandwa muEurope, sarudzo dzezvombo zvenyukireya zvine hunyanzvi uye zvisiri zvehurongwa, mamwe matanho ekudzora zvombo, uye ayo akagadzirirwa kuwedzera kujeka uye kugadzikana.

Chinhu chakakosha pazviri ndechekuti chero nhanho dzatingatora dzinenge dzisiri dzekubvuma. Vaizofanira kunge vari panhevedzano, zvichireva kuti maRussia aifanirawo kuita chimwe chinhu chaizobatsira kuvandudza chengetedzo yedu - kuchengetedzwa kwedu.

Pfungwa yekupedzisira pane izvi: Zvese izvi zvave uye zvicharamba zvichiitwa nekunyatso uye kuzere kubvunzana nevabatsiri vedu uye vatinoshanda navo, uye izvo zvinosanganisira Ukraine. Apo Munyori akasangana neMutungamiri Zelenskyy, paakasangana neMutungamiri Kuleba - kana Mutungamiri Wekune dzimwe nyika Kuleba, paakataura neMutungamiriri Wezvekune dzimwe nyika Kuleba musi weChishanu mushure mekusangana neMutungamiri weZvenyika Lavrov, isu tiri muitiro wekunyatsobuda pachena nevatinoshanda navo vekuUkraine nezve. nyaya dziri kukurukurwa uye mafambiro ezvisungo izvozvo.

MUBVUNZO: (Kubva-mike.)

MR PRICE: Ehe.

MUBVUNZO: (Inaudible) kune nyaya yePalestine?

MR PRICE: Pane chimwe chinhu paRussia-Ukraine? Ben, mumwe -

MUBVUNZO: Ehe. Munyori aizosimudza Paul Whelan naTrevor Reed muhurukuro dzake neGurukota rezvekunze Lavrov. Pane update here? Iwe unofunga kuti mamiriro ezvinhu aripo achaita kuti zvive nani kana kuipa kune mamiriro avo?

MR PRICE: Izvo chaizvo zviri kuRussia Federation. Ndinogona kusimbisa, sezvakataurwa neMunyori pamberi pemusangano, kuti akasimudza nyaya dzaPaul Whelan naTrevor Reed, vese vakaenda kuRussia sevashanyi uye vakabatwa zvisina tsarukano kwenguva yakareba, vakataura pfungwa yekuti ndizvo. nguva yadarika kuti ndivaone vadzoka zvakanaka kumhuri dzavo. Uye isu ticharamba tichishanda pane izvozvo.

Ehe?

MUBVUNZO: Ndatenda, Ned. Imwezve padambudziko reRussia-Ukrainian. Hutongi hweBiden hunoziva here kana kubvuma kuti kupinzwa kana kupindwa neRussia kurwisa Ukraine kunogona kukonzera dominos mhedzisiro pazvinhu zvakawanda kudaro? Ndichadoma mimwe mienzaniso: China ichirwisa Taiwan; Iran nevamiriri vayo; North Korea uye zvombo zvayo zvinokandwa kurwisa South Korea neJapan; Venezuela, Cuba, uye masimba avo ekudzvinyirira maitiro uye mafambiro.

Saka Ned, nyika yese iri kuona zvichaitwa neUS kumisa Russia. Unotsinhira sei pane izvi?

MR PRICE: Chii chaiva chikamu chekupedzisira? Tinoita sei?

MUBVUNZO: Unotsinhira sei pane izvi? Iyo Biden manejimendi inoziva nezve kunetsa kuri kuita nyika yese? Sezvakaitika kuAfghanistan, uyezve mimwe mishumo iri kuti Russia iri kutora peji yezvakaitika kuAfghanistan uye ichirwisa Ukraine - kana inogona kufamba - saka ikozvino kana vakaita izvo, zvese izvi dominos mhedzisiro zvinogona kuitika.

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, ndisati ndasvika kumubvunzo wako wakakura, ndinoda kugadzirisa chikamu chekupedzisira chemubvunzo wako, uye iyo Afghanistan.

Ndine nguva yakaoma kunzwisisa kuti zvakamira sei kugumisa kuzvipira kwechiuto chemakore makumi maviri uko United States yakashandisa mabhiriyoni nemabhiriyoni emadhora gore rega rega, uko zviuru zvemauto eAmerica - pane imwe nguva makumi ezviuru zvemauto eAmerica - aive. stationed; uko kwaive nekuzvipira kweNATO, uko zviuru zvemauto eNATO zvakamira kwemakore mazhinji, zvichitora vakakuvara, vachitsungirira kurasikirwa nehupenyu nekuzvipira kwechiuto kwakazaruka - isu takanga tiri sei - zvaive zvichiri zvakadaro, zvataizove takaita. zviri nani zvine hunyanzvi kutora pane zvatiri kuona izvozvi kubva kuRussian Federation.

Mutungamiriri akajeka paakaita chiziviso chake chekuti tichange tichigumisa kupindira kwedu kwechiuto muAfghanistan, icho chikamu chechikonzero chataive tichiita chaive chisiri chekudzivirira chimwe chizvarwa chenhengo dzebasa reAmerica kana nhengo dzesangano reNATO kuti dzirwe. uye nekugona kufa muAfghanistan, asi kutitendera kuti titarise kutyisidzira nemikana yezana ramakore re21. Uye saka isu patinotora hutsinye hweRussia uhwu, apo isu tichitsvaga kuita nzira iyi yekudzivirira nekudzivirira, ndizvo chaizvo zvatiri kuita.

Saka ini ndaingoda kutaura nezve Afghanistan.

MUBVUNZO: Asi Ned, ndinofunga kuti nyaya yacho ndeyekutonga (kusinganzwisisike) kwakafuratira vatsigiri vayo ikoko, vanhu vazhinji vakazviona zvakadaro; pamwe vanobatana vari kunetsekana kuti izvo zvingangoitika izvozvi.

MR PRICE: Chekutanga, United States haina kufuratira Afghanistan. Wationa tichigara tichidyidzana nekuratidza kuzvipira kwedu kusingagumi kuvanhu veAfghanistan, uye isu takazviita chero nhamba yenzira. Ini handifanire kumhanya kuburikidza navo izvozvi nekuti isu tinoona izvi nguva dzose.

Saka chero ani zvake ari kutora chero chidzidzo kunze kwekuti United States yakanzwa yave nguva yekugumisa izvo zvanga zvave pachena kuzvipira kwemauto uko zviuru nezviuru zvemauto eAmerica zvakarwa uye zviuru zvakafa, uye zvakafanana. yeNATO zvakare, yakapusha United States uye vatinoshanda navo veNATO mabhiriyoni nemabhiriyoni - mabhirioni mukati memakore makumi maviri; chero ani zvake angatora chero chidzidzo kubva kune icho kunze kwekuti United States iri kuzviisa pachezvayo kutora kutyisidzira nemikana yatinosangana nayo ikozvino, isu tichiramba tichibatana pamwe nekutsigira vanhu veAfghanistan, izvo zvingave zvisizvo kuongorora.

Asi kumubvunzo wako, zvakadaro, takafunga nezvazvo. Uye ndosaka Munyori akapa hurukuro muBerlin svondo rapfuura yanga iri pamubvunzo uyu, kutaura pfungwa yekuti zvatiri kuona Russia ichiedza nekuita kurwisa Ukraine yakakosha pachayo, hongu. Ukraine ishamwari yepedyo; tine shamwari dzepedyo muUkraine vanhu. Asi mune dzimwe nzira, izvi zvakakosha seUkraine, zvakatokura kudarika mubvunzo wekukakavadzana, mhirizhonga inogadzirwa neRussia, pakati peRussia neUkraine. Izvi ndezvekuti chii chinofanira kunge chiri mitemo isingapindiki yeinonzi mitemo-yakavakirwa pasi rose kurongeka, chii chinofanira kunge chiri mitemo isingachinjiki iyo kwemakore makumi manomwe apfuura, kubva pakupera kweHondo Yenyika II, yakadzivirira uye yakanyatso bvumidza mazinga asina kumboitika ekuchengetedza. , yekugadzikana, yekubudirira. Izvi zvinosanganisira mu--muEurope, asi zvinosanganisirawo munzvimbo dzinopfuura izvozvo.

Uye zvechokwadi, iwe unotinzwa tichitaura pamusoro pemitemo-yakavakirwa pasi rose kurongeka kwete chete munyaya yeEurope uye izvo Russia iri kuita kuikanganisa, asi mune mamwe matunhu zvakare, kunyanya Indo-Pacific, kwatine kushushikana kwakafanana nezvei. dzimwe nyika dzakatsvagawo kuita kudzikamisa, kukanganisa iyo mitemo-based international order. Saka hazvina kurasika patiri kuti maRussia nemhedzisiro yezvavari kuita, zvakakoshera sezvavari kuUkraine, zvinoenda kupfuura Ukraine.

MUBVUNZO: Ned, ndine mibvunzo miviri paIran neKuwait.

MUBVUNZO: Ned, ndaigona kubvunza -

MR PRICE: Chokwadi, ndichadzoka kwauri. Akadaro.

MUBVUNZO: Wakadana kwandiri katatu kana kaviri.

MR PRICE: Akati, watobvunza a-

MUBVUNZO: Zvakanaka. Kwete, ndinonzwisisa.

MR PRICE: Wakatobvunza mubvunzo panguva ino pfupiso.

MUBVUNZO: Ndinonzwisisa. Ndinoda kuchinja misoro, kunyange zvakadaro. Ndinoda kukubvunza nezvePalestine-America akafira muhusungwa hweIsrael musi wa12 Ndira. Zvino, ndinoziva kuti iwe wakadana maIsrael kuti waida kuona kuti aive mamiriro akaita sei uye zvichingodaro. Chokutanga pane zvose, vakakupindura here? Ndinoreva kuti anogona kunge ari chero hama yangu.

MR PRICE: Ndine urombo, chikamu chekupedzisira chaive chii?

MUBVUNZO: Ndinoreva, izvo zvinogona kuva - hazvinei nazvo. Ndiri kungoti vakakudairira here?

MR PRICE: Saka hatisati taona chirevo chekupedzisira kubva kuHurumende yeIsrael. Isu tinoenderera mberi nekutsigira kuferefetwa kwakadzama kwemamiriro echiitiko ichi. Isu tinotambira kugamuchira rumwe ruzivo kubva kuHurumende yeIsrael nekukurumidza sezvinobvira. Tiri kushushikana zvikuru nemashoko enhau ezvakaitika parufu rwaVaAssad, chizvarwa cheAmerica, avo vakawanikwa vafa mushure mekunge mauto eIsrael amusunga. Sezvatakambotaura, tave pedyo nemhuri yake kuti tipe nyaradzo yedu, kuti tipe masevhisi emumiriri. Takamiririrwa pakumuka kwaVaAssad zvakare.

MUBVUNZO: Hameno, akafa achisungwa maoko nekusungwa muromo zvichingodaro. Uye rudzii rwe - ivo - iwe unovapa muganhu wenguva? Iwe unovimba here nevaIsraeri kuti vachaita ongororo yavo munyaya iyi?

MR PRICE: Sezvandataura, Said, tinogamuchira kugamuchira iyo ruzivo nekukurumidza.

MUBVUNZO: Zvakanaka. Ndine mubvunzo - mumwe mubvunzo unokurumidza. Pane mashoko ekuti pane vatori venhau gumi nevanomwe vekuPalestine vari muhusungwa nhasi. Ndicho chinhu chaungasimudza neIsrael kuti utarise kuti ndeapi mamiriro ekusungwa kwavo?

MR PRICE: Isu tinoziva nezvemishumo yawataura. Sezvatinoita pasi rose, tinotsigira vatori venhau vakazvimiririra uye masangano enhau, uye makatinzwa tichitaura kare nezvekukosha kwekutaura kwavo, kunyanya munzvimbo dzine kunetsana kwakanyanya kana kukakavara. Tinotenda kuti kuremekedza kodzero dzevanhu, rusununguko rwakakosha, uye sangano revanhu rakasimba zvakakosha zvikuru kune utongi hune hanya uye hunoteerera.

MUBVUNZO: Uye pakupedzisira, Mumiriri weUS kuUnited Nations svondo rapfuura akataura uye akasimbisa mhirizhonga yevanogara uye hutsinye kune maPalestine. Zvakadaro takaona kuwedzera kwemhirizhonga mumazuva mashoma apfuura. Icho chinhu chaungasimudza here kana kuti wakabatikana zvakanyanya nenyaya dzakaita seUkraine neIran uye zvinhu zvese izvi - ndinoreva, zvinonzwisisika zvakadaro?

MR PRICE: Akati, tiri hurumende huru. Tiri dhipatimendi guru. Kwete kushandisa dimikira rakanyanyoshandiswa, asi tinogona kufamba nekutsenga chingamu panguva imwe chete. Kana iri nyaya yamataura manzwa tichitaura nyaya iyi. Iwe wakataura mamwe mazwi munguva pfupi yapfuura. Bazi reHurumende rakambotaura pamusoro peizvi zvakare. Tinotenda kuti zvakakosha kuti mapato ese arege matanho anowedzera kunetsana uye kuderedza kuyedza kufambisira mberi chibvumirano chenyika mbiri. Izvi zvinosanganisira mhirizhonga kune vanhuwo zvavo uye mhirizhonga yevagari vemo.

MUBVUNZO: Ned, ndingabvunza chimwe chinhu nezve Iran (inonzwika)?

MR PRICE: Saka mibvunzo miviri yeIran. Chokwadi.

MUBVUNZO: Ehe. Gurukota rezvekunze reIran nemusi weMuvhuro vakati vakagadzirira kufunga hurukuro neUnited States kana zvikadaro - kana vachinzwa kuti vanogona kuwana chibvumirano chakanaka nevimbiso. Neimwe nzira, pave paine kutaurirana pane izvi? Uye imi varume muri kufunga kuita hurukuro navo here?

MR PRICE: Humeyra, sezvamunoziva, takagadzirira kusangana zvakananga. Isu takagara takabata chinzvimbo chekuti zvingave zvakanyanya kubereka kuita neIran zvakanangana nenhaurirano dzeJCPOA uye nezvimwe nyaya. Izvi zvinoenderera kune maviri maviri pamwe neakawanda mafomati. Kusangana kwakananga kunogonesa kutaurirana kwakanaka, izvo zvinodikanwa nekukurumidza kusvika pakunzwisisana pakudzokerana mukuteerana neJCPOA.

Takambotaura pfungwa iyi, asi tichifunga nezvekumhanya kwekufambira mberi kwenyukireya kweIran, nguva iri kupfupika kudzamara mabhenefiti ekusapararira akaunzwa neJCPOA sezvaakambonyorwa uye akaitwa muna - yakanyorwa muna 2015 ikaitwa muna 2016 yakakurirwa nekufambira mberi kwenyukireya. yakaitwa neIran. Saka isu tiri kutsvaga kuita iyi diplomacy nekuchimbidza, uye tanga tichinyatsojekesa kuti kukwanisa kuita zvakananga kunozadzisa izvo zvinangwa.

MUBVUNZO: Tichifunga nezve chinzvimbo chako izvozvi uye zvavakataura, isu tinofanira kutarisira kuti izvi zviitike munguva pfupi here? Pane chikonzero chipi nechipi here nei ikoku kungagona kuitika nokukurumidza? Pave paine kurukurirano ipi neipi isina kunanga pamusoro pekuita kuti izvi zviitike nokukurumidza?

MR PRICE: Iwe unofanirwa kubvunza vakuru muTehran. Isu - aka hakasi kekutanga kutaura pfungwa iyi. Isu takaita pfungwa iyi nguva dzose kusvika zvino. MaIran akasimbirira pane isina kunanga fomati muVienna. Takagara tichiona chokwadi chekuti hurukuro dzisina kunanga, kunyanya panyaya yekuoma uku uye yekukosha uku, imhinganidzo. Saka maonero edu anga akajeka. Ini ndinokutungamira kune zviremera muIran.

MUBVUNZO: Chinhu changu chekupedzisira pane izvi. Takaita hurukuro naSpecial Envoy Malley nezuro, akati zvingave zvakaoma kufungidzira kuti US iite chibvumirano neIran kunze kwekunge vasungwa veUS vaburitswa. Ini ndinongoda kukusundidzirai zvishoma kuti sei manejimendi asiri kuda kutaura pachena kuti havazojoinizve JCPOA kunze kwekunge vagari vekuAmerica vaburitswa.

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, zvakataurwa neNhume Yakakosha ndezvekuti, "zvakaoma kwazvo kuti isu tifungidzire kudzokera muchibvumirano chenyukireya uku vanhu vana vasina mhosva vekuAmerica vachibatwa neIran."

MUBVUNZO: Ehe.

MR PRICE: Iyi ipfungwa yaakataura kakawanda kare, saka iyi - haifaniri kuva nhau. Izvo zvakare, ini ndinogona kukuudza, haisi nhau kune maIrani. Vakanzwa chinzvimbo ichi zvisina kunanga kubva kwatiri zvakare.

Asi Nhume Yakakosha yakataurawo pfungwa yekuti nyaya idzi dziri kushanda panzira dzakasiyana, uye dziri kushanda panzira dzakasiyana nechikonzero chakareruka: Kudzokerana mukuteerana neJCPOA ipfungwa isina chokwadi. Tinoda kuona maAmerican aya akabatwa vasingadi kwemakore nemagumo, kure nemhuri dzavo, vachidzoka nekukurumidza. Hazvingaite zvinangwa zvedu, hazvingashandire zvido zvavo, kusungira mafambiro avo kune chirevo chandambotaura kuti hachina chokwadi zvachose. Saka ndosaka zvichinyatso penda kudyidzana kwedu, asi izvi zviri kushanda pamatiraki akasiyana.

MUBVUNZO: Ndingabvunza mubvunzo here?

MUBVUNZO: Asi Ned, matauriro aunozviita, zvinotaridzika - zvakanyanya senge precondition.

MR PRICE: Zvakare, haisi iyo nyaya yekuti kune chero hukama hwakananga kana hwakajeka chaizvo nekuti kudzoka kune vese mukuteerana neJCPOA ipfungwa isina chokwadi. Tinoda kuti kudzoka kwevaAmerica ava kuve chirevo, uye saka isu tiri kuchengeta nyaya idzi dzakasiyana.

Ehe. Ndine hurombo.

MUBVUNZO: Gurukota rezvekunze reKuwait rakashanyira Beirut neMugovera ndokusvitsa zvirevo zvekuvaka chivimbo kuLebanon uye meseji yakabatana neGulf states, uye ari kushanyira Washington svondo rino. Unoziva here nezvemazano? Uye pane chinongedzo here pakati pekushanya kwake kuBeirut neWashington?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, ndinotarisira kana Secretary akasangana nemumwe wake weKuwait neChitatu kuti vachawana mukana wekukurukura Rebhanoni. Icho chinhu icho United States, pamwe chete nevatinoshanda navo - kusanganisira vatinoshanda navo muGulf, maFrench, nevamwe - isu takanyanya kutarisa zvakanyanya. Saka ndinofunga tichava nezvakawanda zvekutaura mushure memusangano wemapato maviri aya neChitatu.

Ehe.

MUBVUNZO: (Isinganzwiki) kune watinoshanda naye Tracy Wilkinson paHonduras. Mapato anokwikwidza mumusangano wavo anogona kukanganisa kugadzwa kwemutungamiri mutsva neChina, uyo Dhipatimendi reHurumende rakakurumidza kumbundira. Mutevedzeri weMutungamiri Harris akarongerwa kuenda kunogadzwa. IUS iri kuita chero chinhu kuderedza dambudziko iri?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, chandichataura ndechekuti kusarudzwa kwehutungamiriri hutsva hwenguva kuHonduran National Congress isarudzo yakazvimirira yeHonduras. Isu tinotarisira kudzamisa basa redu pamwe neanouya Castro manejimendi uye maHondurans kubva kumativi ese ezvematongerwo enyika kuti tifambise zvido zvedu zvatakagovana. Tinoti vemapato ezvematongerwo enyika vadzikame, vataurirane, vasiyane nemhirizhonga uye kutaura kunodenha, uye tinokurudzira vatsigiri vavo kuti vataure murunyararo vachiremekedza mutemo.

Sezvaunoziva, Mutevedzeri weMutungamiri Harris akatowana mukana wekutaura naPresident-Vakasarudzwa Castro kuti vamukorokotedze nekukunda kwake kwenhoroondo semutungamiri wechikadzi wekutanga weHonduras. Muhurukuro iyoyo mwedzi wapera vakakurukura kufarira kwavo pamwe chete mukushanda pamwe chete kugadzirisa zvikonzero zvekutama, kukurudzira mukana wehupfumi unobatanidza vanhu veHonduras, kuvandudza - kurwisana nehuori, kuderedza kutyisidzira kwekuchengeteka, nekuvandudza kuwana hutano. uye dzidzo.

MUBVUNZO: Imwe kuTurkey kune wandaishanda naye kuVOA.

MR PRICE: Chokwadi. Une - paive nekutevera, Conor?

MUBVUNZO: Kwete, mumwe mubvunzo, saka enda mberi, Barbara.

MUBVUNZO: Saka kana musinei nazvo, iye - wandaishanda naye kuVOA akashamisika kana paine zvazvinoita kubva kuDhipatimendi reHurumende kune nyaya mbiri dzine chekuita nekurambidzwa kutaura pachena muTurkey. Imwe Mugovera wekupedzisira: mutori wenhau anozivikanwa weTurkey akaiswa mujeri nekuda kwekuzvidza Mutungamiri Erdogan. Nhasi sangano rehurumende - nyika yakabhadhara chiteshi cheTV chaanoshandira. Mhosva yechipiri muimbi ane mukurumbira ari kuwana kutyisidzirwa nevaIslam nemapoka emarudzi nekuda kwechimwe chinhu chaakanyora nguva yadarika, uye Mutungamiri Erdogan akatyisidzira kumunyararidza panguva yeminamato yeChishanu, achiti, "Ibasa redu kucheka ndimi idzodzo," un-quote.

Unewo here zvaunoita panyaya idzi?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, izvi zvinoshanda muTurkey asi ndezvepasi rose mukushandiswa kwayo zvakare, uye inyaya yekuti isu tinotenda kuti rusununguko rwekutaura runosimbisa democracy uye inoda kuchengetedzwa kunyangwe ichisanganisira kutaura vamwe vangawana kukakavara kana vamwe vangasagadzikana. Isu tinoziva uye tinoodzwa mwoyo nekutarisa uye kusungwa kwaSedef Kabaş, imwe yenyaya dzawakataura, uye misimboti iyoyo inoshanda zvakafanana kuTurkey sezvavanoita kune chero imwe nyika.

MUBVUNZO: Bhakina Faso. Mauto aenda kuTV kutaura kuti ndivo vari kutonga. Hofisi yemutungamiri wenyika yakaramba izvozvo, asi mutungamiri wenyika haasati aonekwa. Unoziva here zviri kuitika? Pane coup here? Watanga ongororo yekuti pane here kana kuti kwete?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, tinoziva nezvemashoko ekuti mutungamiri weBurkina Faso akasungwa nenhengo dzemauto enyika. Chikwata chedu chemumiriri weOuagadougou chiri kuongorora mamiriro akaita zvinhu uye kuchengetedza kutaurirana nevadyidzani vekunze pamwe nevakuru vehurumende yaPresident Kaboré. Tinokumbira kuti Mutungamiri Kaboré nevamwe vakuru vehurumende vasunungurwe, uye kuti nhengo dzemauto dziremekedze bumbiro remitemo yeBurkina Faso uye hutungamiri hwevanhu. Tinokurudzira mativi ose ari mumamiriro ezvinhu aya kuti adzikame uye atsvage nhaurirano senzira yekugadzirisa zvichemo. Isu - mumiriri wedu muOuagadougou takayambira vagari vemuUS muBurkina Faso kuti nguva yekuvharirwa yaitwa nevakuru venzvimbo uye vagari vemuUS vanorayirwa kuti vagare, vadzivise mhomho yakawanda, uye kutarisa midhiya yemuno kuti ivandudzwe.

MUBVUNZO: IUS inopa huwandu hwakakosha hwekubatsira Burkina Faso. Uri kuita coup assessment?

MR PRICE: Saka iyi imamiriro ekuchinja. Ndiyo mamiriro anoramba ari mvura. Yakaramba ichikura kunyangwe mukati memaawa achangopfuura, saka inokurumidza kuratidza, zviri pamutemo kwatiri, chimiro chezvinoitika zvirikuitika. Tadaidzira kuti vatambi vese vazvidzore sezvo tichinyatsoongorora zviitiko zviri pasi kuti tione zvingangokanganisa rubatsiro rwedu.

MUBVUNZO: Iran, inokurumidza kutevera. AFP ichangotaura izvo - zvinonzi kune vakuru vepamusoro vekuAmerica vachiti vanoda kuona hurukuro dzakananga neIran. Unogona kuzvisimbisa here? Unoda here hurukuro dzakananga neIran pa -

MR PRICE: Ndakafunga kuti tangokurukura izvi kwemaminitsi mashanu naHumeyra.

MUBVUNZO: Ndine urombo.

MR PRICE: Hongu. Tinoita.

MUBVUNZO: Ndinofanira kunge ndakachipotsa. Okay, sorry.

MR PRICE: Ehe. Ehe.

MUBVUNZO: Saka chii chinotarisirwa kuwanikwa nehurukuro dzakananga pane zviri kuitika muVienna izvozvi?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, takangove nekuchinjana kwenguva refu pane izvi, saka ndinokuendesa kune izvo.

Mibvunzo miviri yekupedzisira. Hongu? Ehe?

MUBVUNZO: Pane here update yaunogona kupa paISIS jailbreak kuchamhembe kweSyria, ingave maererano nerutsigiro rwemubatanidzwa uye huwandu hwevanopukunyuka? Uye zvino chii chaizvo - chinoti kudii nezve kugona kweSDF kuchengetedza zvivakwa, uye unoona izvi sekutadza kwehungwaru kune chikamu chemubatanidzwa?

MR PRICE: Zvakanaka, sezvawaona iwe, takapa chirevo pamusoro peizvi mukupera kwesvondo, uye takashora kurwiswa kweISIS svondo rapfuura panzvimbo yevasungwa yeHasakah kuchamhembe kwakadziva kumabvazuva kweSyria, iyo yatinonzwisisa kuve kuyedza kusunungura varwi veISIS vakasungwa. Isu tinorumbidza SDF nekuda kwemhinduro yavo nekukurumidza uye nekuenderera mberi nekuzvipira mukurwisa ISIS, uye kurwiswa uku mupfungwa dzedu kunoratidza kukosha uye kukosha kwekubhadhara zvizere Global Coalition Kukunda zvirongwa zveISIS zvekuvandudza nekuchengetedza kusungwa kwevanhu kweISIS varwi, kusanganisira nekusimbisa kuchengetedzwa kwenzvimbo dzekuvharirwa.

Kwatiri zvakare kunosimbisa kudiwa kwekukurumidzira kwekuti nyika dzekwakabva dzidzose, dzigadzirise, dzibatanidzezve, uye dzipinze mhosva - pazvinenge zvakakodzera - zvizvarwa zvavo zvakasungwa kuchamhembe kwakadziva kumabvazuva kweSyria. Isu tinoramba takazvipira mukukundwa kwepasi rose kweISIS, tichishanda, pamwe, uye kuburikidza nemubatanidzwa uye vatinoshanda navo veko. Asi kupfuura izvozvo, kune hunyanzvi hwekuvandudza pasi, ndinofanira kukuendesa kuDOD.

Ben?

MUBVUNZO: Nezuro manheru, Dhipatimendi reHurumende rakati kana paine kupinda muUkraine, kuti US yaizotadza kuburitsa vagari vayo. Ndakashamisika kana iwe waigona kungotsanangura chikonzero, nei zvakadaro.

MR PRICE: Ben, izvi ndizvo - izvi zvakagara zvakadaro. Iko - mhosva yedu yekutanga ndeyekupa zvigadziriso uye zvigadziriso uye kuve nechokwadi chekutaurirana kune yakazvimiririra vagari vemuAmerica munharaunda chero ipi zvayo, kusanganisira kana taita chimwe chinhu chakadai sekubva kana kusimuka zvine mvumo. Ndinoziva chiitiko chechangobva kuitika cheAfghanistan chinogona kupendesa pfungwa ine vamwe vanhu nezve izvi, asi Afghanistan, nezvikonzero zvatinoziva tese zvakanaka, yaive yakasarudzika. Chakanga chiri chimwe chinhu icho Hurumende yeUnited States yakanga isati yamboita.

Uye sezvamakatinzwa tichitaura mumamiriro ezvinhu eEthiopiya, Ukraine, nedzimwe nyika, mhosva yedu ndeyekuenderera mberi nekupa ruzivo kunharaunda yevagari vekuAmerica, kuvapa masevhisi, kusanganisira zvikwereti zvekudzosera kana vachinge vachida kuwana kutengeserana. zvisarudzo. Idzo sarudzo dzekutengeserana, hongu, dzichiripo mune yeUkraine. Ndosaka zano rehusiku hwapfuura rakakurudzira vanhu vekuAmerica kuti vafunge kuzvipa ivo pachavo sarudzo dzekutengesa, uye embassy yakamira yakagadzirira kubatsira mukuedza ikoko.

Ndinokutendai mose.

MUBVUNZO: Ndatenda, Ned.

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Juergen T Steinmetz

Juergen Thomas Steinmetz akaramba achishanda muindasitiri yekufambisa uye yekushanya kubva achiri mudiki kuGerman (1977).
Iye akatanga eTurboNews muna 1999 sebhuku rekutanga repamhepo pamhepo yepasirese yekushanya indasitiri yekushanya.

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